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Hobbit Owners Thread

By Eryeal

8 years ago


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Post #14 First impressions by new owner. Posted by Eryeal (8 years ago)

Post #45 The source of the voice call-outs Posted by iepinball (8 years ago)

Post #71 Detailed game review Posted by Vyzer2 (8 years ago)

Post #128 Cosmetic issues from factory and customer service response. Posted by RichieWrench (8 years ago)

Post #214 review with detail and good set of pictures. Posted by Pimp77 (7 years ago)

Post #402 Backglass LED diffuser (tones cold white to a more neutral amber color) Posted by PanzerFreak (7 years ago)

Post #714 Another BackBox light filter Posted by Damonator (7 years ago)

Post #769 Rulesheet Posted by tiesmasc (7 years ago)

Post #1064 Owner fixes and tweaks after 150 games. Posted by pinballinreno (7 years ago)


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#4137 6 years ago
Quoted from xbloodgreenx:

Always happens when multiple modes are stacked, during Smaug multiball and super noticeable when Smaug is killed. During the kill sequence it's like the entire music/sfx track gets clipped to being very quiet.

from the sound designer:
Some of what you are describing is by design. For fanfares and dialog to be heard they have to turn down the music. Otherwise they would be masked. A coin-op mix does this more aggressively than a mix for a home video game. Why? Video games are typically experienced in a quiet environment. Soft sounds can be heard. A stack of sounds in the mix can be teased apart by your ears. Pinball machines are experienced in public spaces where the ambient sound masks any 'soft sounds'. You just don't hear them. So if you are to hear the music when there are no pinball event going on it needs to be loud. Then something happens. You want to hear the fanfare, you have to hear the callout. The music gets attenuated by a significant amount. This is ducking. The music is brought back before the callout is over in a way that is subtle as possible and not distracting.

Pinball machines also make loud mechanical sounds that mask soft and subtle sounds, even in a quiet space and the only machine being played. So the mix is designed to survive the challenging environment which is most common.

Every fanfare and callout in a project like The Hobbit has 'ducking' behavior. It is a compromise for a less than ideal listening environment. For a given sound asset it is possible that the six parameters that define the ducking behavior are in error. There are thousands of sound assets in The Hobbit and I have been known to make mistakes. Recently, I reviewed all the sound assets looking for these mistakes (with the aid of better diagnostics provided by Ted). Some errors were found and some asset definitions were tuned up.

In your example, regular sound effects (spinners and pops) and music are attenuated in favor of the fanfare which is Smaug's death sequence, which should be very loud and you should not have noticed that I lowered the volume of the music. If Smaug's death sequence is not center stage then there is a problem... I will review this.

These changes will be made available in a future update.

The Hobbit is also a most challenging project for sound. The epic music created by Two Steps From Hell is already very dense and full. If a player is to notice the fanfare and callout that go with a scoring event I have to carve out a sonic space for them and this will be a bit rude, but so was the interaction (the ball is wild) that caused it.

Quoted from xbloodgreenx:

Always happens when multiple modes are stacked,

One other challenge to interactive audio is mixing when there is nobody there (no audio engineer). During stacked events a lot of 'big events' that have big sounds can occur at the same time. If we are already at 90% and two more 90% events want to be mixed in we have 270%. We can't go past 100%. Coin-op sound systems do something in this case. Clipping is not allowed but the compression/limiting signal processing found in professional gear is not as sophisticated in a coin-op run-time system. So the mix is not perfect. We are continuing to improve our audio behavior so that we present the sound that goes with your interaction in the best possible way.

I'm glad that you commented on this, it shows that you are listening and that you care.

ddt

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