If he truly listened. He would give the ones who bought in $1000 back and lower the price to $6500. If he did that. I know he'd get a minimum of 50% more sales. Around here, it would be 80%.

At 1500 "Limited (laughable) Edition". He is going to have a very hard time selling that many games at that price point. That is a whole production run or more of a lot of games. Even at a $6500 price point. I think he's going to have a shitload left over. Double that for his $7500 price point. Least Jack is making an effort in the direction he should be going. I think he's realizing he's pushing the envelope a little to much.

why can't he discount the game? Nobody is paid in full, and if they are. Cut a check back to them. not difficult. The 8 people that actually bought one, isn't going to be difficult to sort out.

because it's not a smart move. Pinball is hot right now, but it won't last. Invest shitloads of money in, and you'll end up losing your ass. If you have tons of money, Starting a pinball company from scratch is not a good idea. The market is too saturated right now. Least 7 people are making a production game right now. Think about it.

Jacks not trying to screw anyone. He's trying to get as much money as he can out of each game. Which is good business sense. It's the ones that go along with the outrageous prices, that feed the machine. Business side of things. Jack should charge as much as people are willing to pay. But to a point. if he's only getting 5% of the sales because he jacked it up to much, then that's a bad move. 1000 LE"s are sold to distributers. No telling how many distributers are still stuck with and will be by the end of 2014. There are plenty to go around for every person that buys NIB. No risk running out on this one.

We are still pinball people at heart. It's not that revolutionary to have a fancy color display. Most of us hardly look at the display. Playfield is not revolutionary at all. Same stuff we've always had. Just color changing LED's. P2k changed the way pinball could be designed and played. P3 is new and changes things. That's revolutionary.

It's not hard to figure it out. Put your wallet away for a second and sit back and really look at the things that have been going on the past year and a half. It's not rocket science.

nah, if this was RGP, there would actually be a tech question in the top 30 active posts. )

Since when did preordering become the normal? Couple years ago, maybe 1% would preorder. Only ones that would buy a game without playing it were ops. Once the game was on location, could play the test games out there. That's when people would decide to place their order. Preorder is not normal. Except on this site it seems. 80% of you seem to preorder before even seeing a playfield. Throwing around money that loosely and freely is going to cause mass disappointments. That's not the way it used to work. No wonder Sterns can throw out games with half finished code. You guys arn't forcing their hand to have a complete product. You've already purchased before the game is even half way done being developed.

And those of you that say "no price increase and your bitching". Your looking at it the wrong way. If we were unhappy and not buying at $7500 (which is already increased $1000). Why would the price STAYING at $7500 for longer make us happy? It shouldn't be $7500 in the first place. Bring it back to WOZ level and more of us will consider it. I bet 50% more.

Well if your not buying and you remain silent. Nothing will be changed. Only way they know why your not buying is if you say something. They read these boards. If sales are way down, and people speak up why they refuse to buy. They can do things to change that. Seems like many on here are also on board with TH staying the same release price as WOZ.

Yea, but I didn't want to sell my collection. That was my personal collection and really wasn't for sale, but for those prices I couldn't say no. Jack is TRYING to sell games. Plus I like to see what everyone else's opinion is on the subject. Seems like there are many in the same group as I am.

Plus, this subject bothers me for the fact that I was all set to buy hobbit. I knew Jack had the Hobbit license for over a year now. I was ready to go in. Up until. He revealed he increased the price $1000. Then he lost me and pissed me off.

that's right $6500 for early. You don't think 2 years is early enough? Where the hell is the $6500 early bird special this time around? Since he already released his first game in the highest price point for a NIB game to date. Figured, that he wouldn't dare raise it even more. But low and behold, he did. 12% at that. Damn I wish I got raises 12% every year. Already at the top price point, and for his loyal and faithful customers, I give you ONLY a 12% increase. That's right...ONLY 12% price increase. Thank you for your patronage in JJP and thank you for order before knowing anything about the game and seeing any pictures. Thank you....Drive thru.

yea. Basically. I'm holding out. With 1500 LE's. I'll just wait until distributers need to unload them and drop them to the $6500 or less price point. Then i'll get one. Or if Jack is not getting enough sales and lowers the prebook price. Otherwise, nope.

The problem is. Seems many don't learn there lesson. People keep suckering for the same stuff and will pay whatever to do so. We won't see change at this rate.

And if you guys don't think Jack is making 2k profit minimum off each game. You are fooling yourselves. Buying parts and stuff. Right now he's buying for 4 or 5 of his next games. Not just this one. His inventory will be set for awhile on all the main components. Better pricing that way, and you know your going to need it. Hence why the following games should be least the same price as first one was. Since the first is always your most expensive to make.

I don't blame JJP or Sterns for doing what they do. The Lemmings have allowed it.

Yup. Jack has shown that many pinball collectors are more than willing to pay double of what the going rare for NIB was. If Sterns wants to be the cheaper alternative. They don't have to be half as much, only couple $100. Tho, if they did keep the price back down close to where it used to be. I know they would sell twice as many as JJP. Can't tell me OPS can afford to put a $6500-8000 pin on route and make money on it. THey were struggling before at the $3400 shipped to your door price.

Up here it's 3.66. Everything in IL is overpriced.

even on that preorder. I bet the value of it dropped as soon as you drove it off the lot. If you want to look at pins like new cars. NIB is worth half as soon as you open the box. That's the way it used to be in the pin universe. Not quite half, but you were losing money once the game was pulled out and you cut the binding strap.

Transformers LE was $5600 NIB if you knew where to buy from. Retail was higher. Why should anyone be bummed if the game they own and like loses value? Who the hell cares? If you like the game, so what. Value means nothing until your looking to sell. Or (in my case) it becomes so valuable, that you can't refuse the offers to sell.

If you start looking at pinball as an investment, your looking at it the wrong way. Espeically for NIB. Which 92% of the time means a loss. LE's have a little higher ratio to this, because they are designed to be more collectable sooner. But even that formula doesn't always work. RS LE, Avatar LE, TF LE. Striker Extreme LE. Ect....

I didn't think hobbit was bad at all. I enjoyed it. Had issues with 2 parts on how they did speech and dialogue. But it's minor and didn't ruin the whole movie for me. But I love the LOTR universe, So I can let a little more things slide.

Yes $7500 is crazy money for most if not all games. Rare exception would be something awesome that there are only 1 or 2 of. If you sit back and think how many other great titles you can buy for that $7500, and you use it for one NIB. It is crazy in the grand scheme of things. You could buy 5 other games. 5 games are always going to have more replay value and fun over 1 game. Every time. No matter what the game is. If you play it often enough, it's going to get boring and your going to want some variety.