(Topic ID: 232273)

Hitting the "Extra Ball" button cheating??


By Scoot

1 year ago



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“Do you consider hitting the extra ball button cheating?”

  • Yes 45 votes
    66%
  • No 19 votes
    28%
  • Depends on the game 4 votes
    6%

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#1 1 year ago

You're about to take over the high score on a table when ball 3 drains. It's game over... or is it? All of my mid 90's pins have an extra ball button that will allow you to play one extra ball after ball 3 for an additional credit. Do you reach down and hit it to go for the high score and does it feel like cheating when you do? I'm asking for a friend.

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#2 1 year ago

On my WCS if you use the extra ball button you can’t get your name in the official high scores list. So press away!

#3 1 year ago

I normally disable them. However, occasionally for non-pin parties I sometimes flip them on for fun play. Or if I’m about to reset a game I’ll put it on and play stupid long games for a bit.

And of course, your games, your rules. If you like it on, leave it on and push the crap out of it. Always setup your games how you like to play them. Never cheat yourself out of fun the way you like it.

#4 1 year ago

A lot of games have separate score tables for buy ins. You dont make the true top high score

#5 1 year ago

Depends. . . if the person before you used it to get the high score, then I'd say push on!

#6 1 year ago

All the games I’ve had use a different list for buy in high scores. I disable it because I don’t like to see it at the end of every game.

#7 1 year ago

I have them disabled on all my games that have them. But, it's your game if you like the buy in EB keep it.

#8 1 year ago

The only reason I turn this off on my games is so someone doesn’t accidentally press it during league or a tournament. Same with the quick restart option so games aren’t accidentally restarted.

#9 1 year ago

I leave mine off in settings but have it wired to administer a shock that would drop a full grown Hereford to punish would be cheaters. It's a popular mod. I sell it on marketplace.

#10 1 year ago

I don't use it, but I don't consider it cheating since there's a separate high score table for buy-in games.

#11 1 year ago

With a separate high score board I consider it "less cheating" than changing replays to extra balls.

ha

Quoted from TheLaw:

I keep it active but rarely use it. Most games with it have seperate high scores, and it's good for friends to be able to use it.
Every single buy-in button on a machine I have seen active in an arcade setting. I have never seen a replay award an EB.

#12 1 year ago

It’s just a really dumb feature. The first thing I do upon getting one of those games is disable it.

It’s as dumb as setting games for 5 balls...doing three replay levels that all give out EBs etc...

#13 1 year ago

Slightly off topic, but is it cheating if you use glare guards bent plastic and or invisiglass on your pins?

#14 1 year ago

Play how you want to play it. Some of us arent good enough to see all the features in a game, so adding an extra ball as a score award is fine. I dont do 5-ball games myself, but I don't care if others do.

Like mentioned, there's a separate "buy-in" high score list so you won't see it as a "true" grand champ score. As long as you're having fun, set it up however you like.

I turn it off so that I dont have to cancel the buy-in timer.

#15 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

With a separate high score board I consider it "less cheating" than changing replays to extra balls.
ha

Right. Sttng has a separate board.. it was great for guests because the scores were as low as they could go so lots of people at any skill level were able to enter initials

#16 1 year ago

The only way I’ll press that stupid button is when I am playing Jack-Bot

#17 1 year ago

Side thought: I kinda wish that if you turn the extra ball buy-in feature off, it would also no longer show the buy-in high scores in attract mode.

#18 1 year ago
Quoted from mbaumle:

Side thought: I kinda wish that if you turn the extra ball buy-in feature off, it would also no longer show the buy-in high scores in attract mode.

Fair.

Quoted from MeNaCeFiRe:

The only way I’ll press that stupid button is when I am playing Jack-Bot

Double fair.

#19 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

With a separate high score board I consider it "less cheating" than changing replays to extra balls.
ha

Now who would do such a thing!?

#20 1 year ago

Back in the day this was simply a way of possibly tempting someone to throw in an extra quarter or two to simply progress further into the game. This was a calculated plan to increase their bottom line. A machine on location w/ this feature would earn an additional 11% or so. Just a simple & effective gimmick to keep the funds flowing into the pinball industry back then.

#21 1 year ago

I disable that feature because I don't wanna be prompted at the end of a game asking if I want to continue. I never noticed games having a different high score table for that feature, so that's cool. Maybe I'll explore that feature a little now.

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from PoMC:

I disable that feature because I don't wanna be prompted at the end of a game asking if I want to continue. I never noticed games having a different high score table for that feature, so that's cool. Maybe I'll explore that feature a little now.

I think on WCS it is listed as
"Honor Roll"

#23 1 year ago

I personally disable it, but if it gets you to enjoy the game more, who cares what anyone else thinks? There was recently a big Metallica update. I think the thing that had the most impact was changing factory default difficulty. I'm pretty sure I could have changed the settings to make it the same or similar before the update but would never consider it. With the new update I can complete the game, and I find it more enjoyable. Why do I have to wait for Stern to tell me what settings are ok to use? It makes no sense. All those settings are in there for a reason. I will probably stay stubborn and not mess with the factory default.... unless ball save is off by default.

#24 1 year ago

If the game enables you to do it, it’s not cheating. But of course it’s not allowed In Competitive play. Buy in games are their own thing, so you can’t compare scores without buy in vs with buy in.

I usually disable EBs and buy ins on my games because I think having a limit of 3 balls makes me a better player. But if it’s your game in your basement? Have fun with it.

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from Ockeyhead:

A machine on location w/ this feature would earn an additional 11% or so. Just a simple & effective gimmick to keep the funds flowing into the pinball industry back then.

Most people on here have actually said it hurt business; the player becoming board or getting too far and then not playing anymore.
Always been interested in whether it were true...I always believed it since they never brought it back.

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