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Resto Underway..High Speed - Restore or Part Out

By EEE

6 years ago

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High Speed Williams, 1986

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“High Speed Project - what to do?”

Sell in a bundle as a project to someone who wants it 10 votes

33%
Sell in major pieces 2 votes

7%
Find parts and restore to playable condition 18 votes

60%

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#1 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Today I picked up a project High Speed that has a much better than average playfield, and a slightly better than average cabinet with the original colors and paint in presentable condition.

No lockdown bar and no playfield apron.

It has no backglass, and is missing all of the boards, except the display board and displays.

The siren topper is present and the cabinet wiring, transformer, is all present.

I have no idea what the machine will need in addition to whats missing.

Is this a machine to part out or will the missing parts be easy and affordable in the overall scheme for a High Speed?

My buddy grabbed the 8 Ball machine.

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#2 6 years ago

DAD

tonyhoff1

Pinside member

Parma, OH

8y 53,900 871 26

I would be interested in the playfield lol

#3 6 years ago

DJT

Taxman

In Memoriam

11y 90,950 6,228 34 30

Siren topper assembly for the right price here.

#4 6 years ago

SMK

TheLaw

Pinside+ Addict

Ann Arbor, MI

12y 162K 48,068 19 30 1

Yep sell the big stuff to the 2 gentleman you have above my post. It's not worth the headache of trying to rebuild something that you have no idea at all what it will take. You'll find another HS down the road if you really want one.

#5 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

Pinside Moderator

9y 238K 31,367 268 14

It would be a no brainer for me to restore it.

It will take a bit of a scavenger hunt, but that's half the fun.

There are boards and displays floating around. Lockbars are fairly common. The apron may give you some trouble, but you could always find a substitute to use temporarily, or even add a decal for the text that is specific to the high speed apron. If you need a plastic ramp, someone on the forums here ended up reproducing it.

I bought my high speed without a backglass, and was able to find one without too much trouble. I found a few people with used ones, but ended up getting a CPR reproduction from someone.

If you have a decent playfield, that's 75% of the battle right there.

However, if you really have no interest in restoring it, let someone else have a crack at it. You don't have to chop it up. They don't make these any more, and every time one gets parted, that's one less game that can be owned, shared, and enjoyed.

#6 6 years ago

KEN

radium

Pinside+ Frequent

Covington, LA

10y 93,550 4,153 12 2

If you got a good price on it, it'll be worth restoring. Even still I'd restore it because I try to save every pin I find.

#7 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Heres an odd update but I was just given a lockdown bar for it from another pinsider

#8 6 years ago

PVC

patrickvc

Pinside member

Phoenix, AZ

15y 71,350 2,156 22

Fix the game. Once it's parted another bites the dust. Leave games that are beyond saving to be parted.

#9 6 years ago

MIL

Thrillhouse

Beehive Pinball

Salt Lake City, UT

9y 89,050 885 24

Restore the pins, part out that POS truck instead.

#10 6 years ago

ZDG

gutz

Pinside member

10y 78,550 1,745 28

OP
Quoted from EEE:
Heres an odd update but I was just given a lockdown bar for it from another pinsider

Its a sign!

#11 6 years ago

ZDG

gutz

Pinside member

10y 78,550 1,745 28

I've got a crappy Williams apron (not highspeed) that you can have for shipping until you can find a HS one.

#12 6 years ago

DJT

Taxman

In Memoriam

11y 90,950 6,228 34 30

If you can restore that is great. I used to hate the thought of people parting out games. Then as time went by I also realized parting has reasons also. Where do you think some of those parts you need might come from? Sometimes one might die but others may live.

#13 6 years ago

PAY

pookycade

Pinside member

11y 95,300 1,842

Quoted from patrickvc:
Fix the game. Once it's parted another bites the dust. Leave games that are beyond saving to be parted.

Although if you look at that recent Space Shuttle thread apparently any pin, even one sitting out in a field for god knows how long and falling apart can be saved. But yes I definitely agree with this sentiment.

#14 6 years ago

ALX

donjagra

Pinside member

14y 72,100 3,402 10 34

Quoted from Thrillhouse:
Restore the pins, part out that POS truck instead.

That truck is an awesome pin hauler, I think it has run games for everyone in the valley!

#15 6 years ago

ROB

RCA1

Pinside+ Addict

St Joseph, MI

11y 128K 8,681 28 11

Quoted from donjagra:
That truck is an awesome pin hauler, I think it has run games for everyone in the valley!

Well, it looks like the brakes on that truck are better than the brakes on the vehicle that was behind it.

(Fix the HS!)

#16 6 years ago

KDF

fisherdaman

Pinside member

Waitsfield, VT

11y 72,300 1,546 8

Ultimately depends on how much you picked the game up for.

#17 6 years ago

DAJ

angus

Pinside member

Highlands Ranch, CO

11y 65,900 578 34

Such a great game. I'd try and make it work again.

#18 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

I am trending towards fixing it up, but the biggest expense appears to be the cpu, which runs upwards of $350-400. Any suggestions on this component and the sound, power supply and flipper power supply boards?

#19 6 years ago

DAD

tonyhoff1

Pinside member

Parma, OH

8y 53,900 871 26

OP
Quoted from EEE:
I am trending towards fixing it up, but the biggest expense appears to be the cpu, which runs upwards of $350-400. Any suggestions on this component and the sound, power supply and flipper power supply boards?

I have a power board and flipper board for sure

#20 6 years ago

MJR

MRudowsky

Pinside+ Frequent

Exton, PA

8y 52,800 273

Reproduction apron in the marketplace:
https://pinside.com/pinball/market/shops/1056-merf-s-pins/00586-reproduction-high-speed-ball-arch-apron

(only posted because as a HS owner, it's at the bottom of every post I read )

I'd also vote to save it, but mostly because I love mine. (dibs on plastics if you go the other way)

#21 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

I am making a little more progress with tracking down parts. I have a line on the flipper power supply board and an apron.

I also tracked down a backglass that will work until I can get a repro translight or better backglass.

Needs list is now at: cpu, sound board, power supply board, backglass/translight trim

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#22 6 years ago

PVC

patrickvc

Pinside member

Phoenix, AZ

15y 71,350 2,156 22

I have a display driver if you need one

#23 6 years ago

DEC

GRUMPY

Pinside member

10y 95,050 8,703

I have a power supply I would sell.

#24 6 years ago

ASV

arolden

Pinside member

10y 46,550 975

This looks like one of the easiest restorations in the world; you just need new parts to plug and play. Definitely not worth parting it out.

#25 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

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9y 238K 31,367 268 14

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/nos-high-speed-backglass

#26 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

I appreciate that heads up Forceflow, and funny thing is that you are the third person to point that out. But at this point I have a used backglass and a repro translight in the works.

#27 6 years ago

BUD

Budwin

Inactive member

Westerville, OH

8y 66,550 432 7

I have a nice apron from my RBG.

I got the same decals as HS.

I would sell pretty cheap. (WYSIWYG)

Bud

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#28 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Does anyone have a spare working sound board for this High Speed?

Edit*** board procured.

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#29 6 years ago

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ForceFlow

Pinside Moderator

9y 238K 31,367 268 14

https://ksarcade.net/williams-background-sound-c-11029-c-11030-w-rom.html

ebay.com link: Williams High Speed Pinball Music Sound Board Working Guaranteed 100

#30 6 years ago

CSB

klr650

Pinside+ Frequent

7y 93,550 932 161

Wow, its so great to see everyone pitching in to help! Looks like you will be on your way to having that machine running in no time!

#31 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

I now have a working/refurbed sound board thanks to Nabours Novelty

The power supply and a cpu needing a bit of work all on their way.

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#32 6 years ago

PVC

patrickvc

Pinside member

Phoenix, AZ

15y 71,350 2,156 22

Yay. Glad to see it got saved.

#33 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Power supply board and a better looking apron arrived today. This should be a good week for this project.

Playfield pics coming next weekend.

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#34 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

MPU board arrived today. Its out of a WMS Fire.

Its been cleaned off and is ready for roms and other electronic parts coming from Great Plains.

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#35 6 years ago

???

KenLayton

In Memoriam

Olympia, WA

12y 83,400 5,965

While you're waiting for more parts to arrive, how about chopping off that battery holder and installing a remote one?

1 week later

#36 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Here is the starting point for playfield.

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#37 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

Here's the backbox starting point.

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#38 6 years ago

LEE

Leeb18509

Pinside member

Farmington, UT

12y 76,550 2,113 5

Probably just a fuse.

#39 6 years ago

DAD

uncivil_engineer

Pinside member

9y 91,550 2,012

I can tell you from experience that rusty playfield parts are a b*tch to clean up. Be prepared to go through a lot of steel wool on those wireforms.

#40 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

This has turned out to be an easy clean up. The wireforms had only light surface, beginning stage of corrosion. At some point someone did touch ups and then mylared the entire playfield. It should be a good player level machine, which is exactly what a High Speed was meant to be.

I will finish shopping out the machine today.

MPU driver board repairs are next.

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#41 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

The mpu driver board repair appears to have worked.

I have a bad Ball in Play / Match display. And fuse F2 on the power supply blows on power up. Any ideas what could be causing this? I do have a fried diveter coil, but that doesnt energize on power up does it?

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#42 6 years ago

ZDG

gutz

Pinside member

10y 78,550 1,745 28

It could lock on upon power up if there is damage/ shorted components on the mpu. If the coil fried, you will want to replace the drive and predrive transistor at a minimum.

1 week later

#43 6 years ago

EEE

Pinside member

Tucson, AZ

12y 80,300 2,124

I replaced another tip102 to solve the locked on coil that was replaced.

The machine is now done and part of my humble but playable collection. I am still working on a translite, perhaps a custom one. It cleaned up to a better than average High Speed.

Thanks to those of you who helped me with parts, encouragement and advice

A before pic for reference.

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