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High Speed Power Up "Double-clutch" to get game working

By sneakerpin

7 years ago



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#1 7 years ago

Hello,

Just picked up a High Speed.

This is one of two immediate issues.

Background info:

CPU board has acid damage only at the battery terminals.
Score display driver board has one burnt trace, and not in the machine ATM.
All score displays unplugged.
All playfield lights, switches and solenoids are OK, All tilt/slam switches OK. Flipper driver OK.

When I initially power the game on, I get a "0" on the CPU board, I hear a "boop" sound, GI comes on. Nothing afterwards.

If I turn the game off, using the power switch, then immediately turn it back on, the playfield light sequence works, rotating light, credits, etc. I can start a game and everything (except display and AUX sound (separate thread for AUX sound) works. I can play a full game, complete with multiball.

I'm guessing this has to do with one of two things:

1. Capacitor somewhere is defective
2. CPU battery area needs to be cleaned and new battery/NVRAM installed

Any hints? Please see the AUX sound thread if you can help there as well.

Thanks!!!!

Tim

#2 7 years ago

Watch the 12v and 5v supply. See how fast they come up after power on. There are suspect caps for both rails on the power board that fail in a way that could fail in way that makes you slow to boot.

Here is the MPU power on reset delay circuit.

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Some thoughts.... C30 maybe an electro cap that is failing in a low capacitance way. That may not give the voltage enough time to stabilize. If you Increase the value of that capacitor will make the power on delay longer possibly fixing your problem.

I would exhaust possible power supply issues first.

#3 7 years ago

Thanks for the reply barakandl.

I won't have the ability to test either power supply for a couple of days, but I do agree that the issue might be in the PSU. The issue may have caused an issue with the display driver board as well. Not sure if I should get a few caps on order from DigiKey.

Previous owner cut the capacitors on the flipper switches for some reason...

I am waiting to replace the fuses properly with the exact specified ones before I play with the machine further, to see if there is a power problem. I don't need further damage!

FWIW the flippers and pop bumpers all seem a little weak, not sure if that is related. Game is very playable however.

I'll study the schematics in the meantime. I'll replace the CMOS battery on the CPU board this weekend as well.

Tim

#4 7 years ago

Sounds like it could simply be no battery connection (due to corrosion), so the game comes up in adjust failure mode. No displays means you can't see the message. Powercycling quickly keeps the RAM contents so the game boots normally.

#5 7 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

Sounds like it could simply be no battery connection (due to corrosion), so the game comes up in adjust failure mode. No displays means you can't see the message. Powercycling quickly keeps the RAM contents so the game boots normally.

Good point. I think that would take 3 boots tho right? I think sys 11 goes "adjust failure", then "restore factory settings", then the 3rd boot would be attract mode.

#6 7 years ago

I think WPC does the factory settings message.. S11 just does adjust failure, then boots OK next time. I *think* .. can confirm when I get home

#7 7 years ago

Thank You metallik,

I will be replacing the CPU battery bank this weekend.

I found the bad trace on my display board, so far, only one, adjacent to Molex connector J3, Pin 9 (left most pin). It connects R25 with pin 9 on U9 (UDN7180A) This explains the seller telling me one of the displays went bad. Not to bring this thread off in a tangent though!

Cheers,

Tim

#8 7 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

I think WPC does the factory settings message.. S11 just does adjust failure, then boots OK next time. I *think* .. can confirm when I get home

100 Percent correct. Install NVRAM and call it a day.

#9 7 years ago

I'm going over to K's in NH (near where I live) and having the board put on the bench.

If we can get the sound to come back, I'll have them put NVRAM on it or I'll order a kit and solder it.

Thanks,

Tim

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