High Speed
Williams, 1986So I am sorting through the new acquired Williams High Speed. I noticed the pop bumpers are not activating every time the ball makes contact. Rarely do they create any action. I have seen them work, but that is few and far between. So, if they function, what is causing them not to work 100% of the time.
Any insight would be appreciated.
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Okay, now the kickers and pop bumpers do not work at all. So, I did visual on all the fuses, wires and boards and did not see any loose or burned out fuses/wires. So, I need to know where to start checking. I assume since the bumpers worked intermittently a couple of days ago and now they are dead that it is a power issue. But I am up for suggestions. This is my first machine and would like to know where I should start troubleshooting (tools, best method, etc.).
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Okay, now the kickers and pop bumpers do not work at all. So, I did visual on all the fuses, wires and boards and did not see any loose or burned out fuses/wires. So, I need to know where to start checking. I assume since the bumpers worked intermittently a couple of days ago and now they are dead that it is a power issue. But I am up for suggestions. This is my first machine and would like to know where I should start troubleshooting (tools, best method, etc.).
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Quoted from GRUMPY:Do you have a High Speed manual? Do you have a DMM?
I have a digital multimeter and have a instruction manual reprint. Not sure if it is an inclusive manual. What voltage readings am I looking for on the fuses?
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Quoted from LTG:None. You turn the game off, pull the fuses, and check with your meter.
Youtube is littered with short how to videos if you need help.
LTG : )™
He is tring to help you.^^^^
Look at page 47 in your manual, retangle box labled power supply F2 fuse 2.5 amp slow blow remove and test. This powers solenoid B+ 34volts DC, red wire goes to your coils, check for voltage.
Quoted from LTG:None. You turn the game off, pull the fuses, and check with your meter.
Youtube is littered with short how to videos if you need help.
LTG : )™
Thank you.
Quoted from GRUMPY:He is tring to help you.^^^^
Look at page 47 in your manual, retangle box labled power supply F2 fuse 2.5 amp slow blow remove and test. This powers solenoid B+ 34volts DC, red wire goes to your coils, check for voltage.
Gotcha. Thanks for the detailed answer, I appreciate it.
Quoted from GRUMPY:Report back with your findings and we will point you down the correct path.
Well, I tested the F2 fuse and it tested good. Upon closer visual the F4 fuse right above it looked sketchy. So, I pulled that one and it tested bad. The paper that is still affixed above the power supply indicates the F2 is linked to a solenoid and the F4 is linked to a "special solenoid".
When I compared both fuses the good F2 fuse is a Bussmann MSL-5 250V. The bad F4 fuse is a unknown brand (it does have a FL or LF marking on the end) 313 2.5A 250V. They look similar in construction. The reason I bring this up, is when I go searching for replacement fuses tomorrow, is there a certain model/brand fuse that is a common replacement for either one of these.
The manual says they both should be a 2.5A 250V slow blow fuse.
I really do appreciate the help.
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Quoted from LTG:Do what the manual says. 2.5 Amp slow blow.
LTG : )™
Understood. Do they all look the same (inner coiled wire within the glass tube)? When I called around today, none of the vendors knew what I was talking about. They asked me to bring in the fuse to compare it to what they have in stock. I don't have a Radio Shack or any gaming repair shops in my area.
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Quoted from LTG:They may look different. Just be sure the 2 1/2 amp slow blow part.
Auto part store ? Hardware store ? TV repair store ?
LTG : )
Ok, thanks. I will try the Napa and Ace Hardware in the area. Thanks again.
313 2.5A 250v This is the correct fuse. 313 series means slow blow fuse. I don't think Napa will have these as I have never seen slow blow fuses in a car. Ace Hardware, maybe?
Look for one of the pops to be locked on when you turn on the power, if it is locked on turn off the power quick and check the gap on the switch.
The bottom bumper was stuck/locked when powered up. More to follow...
Ok, it seems to be working now. I tweaked the switch and the bumper activates. The kickers also work now. Thanks for both of your assistance.
I am sure I will have many more questions as I work through being a first time pin owner.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
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Quoted from defiant1:The bottom bumper was stuck/locked when powered up.
This is why the fuse blew the first time. Unsolder the power wire so you can power up with out blowing fuse until you find out whats wrong.
Quoted from Gorgar666:.Do the pop stay lit the whole game...seems like they cut off and on at times..
Replace the crappy #44 lamp sockets with the new #555 lamp sockets.
Quoted from GRUMPY:Replace the crappy #44 lamp sockets with the new #555 lamp sockets.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/077-5020-00
ahh...ok.....hard top or touch up and save it as is?...cab is really beat up pretty good...
130757181_872929233473849_6783101053387039811_n (resized).jpg130930122_4059860377362274_7783617183613062564_n (resized).jpgQuoted from GRUMPY:What the hell is this?
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..yea. ugly sound pot relocate hack/mod lol....question. On cold start. The 3 pops don't work and sound works fine. After about 5 games the pops start working perfectly. On the 8th game sound cuts off completely, but games continue to work fine.
I can power down for 10 mins and the cycle repeats. Strange. Can use my F-14 Power Board to test on high speed? thanks
Also someone repined the power supply connector with what looks like turfcon pins. The power supply still has the original round header pins. Round pins don't connect real well with turfcon pins.
Quoted from GRUMPY:Also someone repined the power supply connector with what looks like turfcon pins. The power supply still has the original round header pins. Round pins don't connect real well with turfcon pins.
Ahh...I see.
Thanks, but I'm waiting on Upkick Pinball here local to install the Hard Top along with a bunch of other work. I'm on their waiting list, just wanted to see if i could get it going in meantime. It could be months....
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