I was wrong. I'll own it, learn from it, and move on.

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:
First e-mail
Good Morning,
In an effort to not waste your time, I'll cut to the chase. Love the machine but for a regular Addams Family (not the gold collectors edition) I'd be around $6,500-$7,000. Not trying to low ball you in any way, nor am I some sort of scammer. I'm a serious collector that would love to add this machine to my collection. Are you even interested in a conversation? Totally understand if the answer is a hard no as you might get that much out of it if you're patient enough.
Thank you for your time reading, hope to hear back but I understand if you're taken back at where I'm at currently.
Thanks,
Jeff
My response
What you need is an unrestored Addams Family. Your budget it sufficient for one.
Second e-mail
Good Morning,
Thank you for your reply. I'd be shocked if you get anywhere near $10K for a standard Addams Family but good luck nonetheless, I totally understand. If you had a Gold then we'd be having a completely different conversation. I get my valuations from pinside if you're curious as to where my number even came from.
All of that being said though, appreciate the super fast response and I can assure you my intention was not to insult you or or your price.
Thanks, Jeff
My response
Citing Pinside average values tells me you are totally unfamiliar with the value of high-end restorations. The restoration itself runs well in excess of $7000. Your budget can get you an unrestored Addams. Good day.
Third e-mail
Good Morning,
LOL... I tried to be nice and respectful but then you had to take a cheap shot... If you paid $7K to restore this machine then you're in no position to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, you wasted $7k... Considering a standard Addams Family goes for around $7K, you're already in the hole so no wonder you're excessively pricing this machine. That's okay, I'm sure you'll eventually find a sucker who will grossly overpay.
Good luck, you're going to need it...
Jeff
My response
No, I'm the one who tried to be nice. Screw off you ignorant newb.
4th e-mail
Ignorant newb? I'm not the dumbass who spent more restoring the machine than it's worth... LOL... Again, good luck... I'm sure you'll find a sucker eventually.
Jeff
That is all.

LMAO

Thanks man. Been a long day needed that.

I love when noobs try to chisel me down by throwing "pinside values" and other nonsense at me. When you've been doing this as long as I have you've heard it all, and you can spot a pain in the ass a mile away. That was obviously the case here.

Seller exhibited ridiculously restrained patience if you ask me. There's nothing worse than someone pretending to be polite while calling you an idiot who has no idea what they are selling.

You can't FORCE someone to sell you something. So make your offer and move on. When you go beyond that you are being a dick, and shouldn't be surprised by the adverse response.

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#72 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from usandthem:
The seller comes off poorly in these e-mails, not the potential buyer. The potential buyer bends over backwards to try to be nice. The seller comes off like a condescending a-hole. The buyer clearly loses it at the end because of the way he was treated during the interactions.

Yeah the fourth time he reminded Norcal that "it's not even a Gold!" was the epitome of bending backwards to be nice, and the condescending "good luck with your sale" was just peachy. Top it off with coming here to stir up shit (who the f does that just because someone they don't know and likely will never speak to again doesn't accept their CL offer?!) and you've got a real sweetheart buyer.

You guys must not sell very many games to think this is tolerable behavior.

My favorite part is where he says "I'm totally ok if your answer is a hard no!" but then proceeds to prove over the next 4 emails that, no, he's not totally ok with it.

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#75 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from usandthem:
Pinheads are weirdos sometimes.

On this we can certainly agree.

But as far as the rest of your stuff, there's a time to sell cheap and easy - I do it all the time - and there's a time to tell someone who is nickel and diming you and trying to educate you on one of your top pieces to fuck off.

If all you ever sell is ratty garbage then yeah I can see how this kind of behavior doesn't bother you, as you've probably never seen it before. It's the guy trying to convince me my nice IJ is worth $5500 because it's ranked lower than WOZ or whatever on pinside that makes you want to strangle them. It's the guy who has appointed himself an expert on this stuff because he google found pinside that makes you want to tell them "good day."

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#77 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from Blackbeard:
What's wrong with using "pinside" values in determining FMV? Christ, this is only the largest pinball website there is?!
Pinside tracks sales, etc. Why you WOULDN'T look to this site as a resource is beyond me.

Telling someone who is firm on price a) what pinside rankings are, and b) what pinside values are is ridiculously obnoxious. We all know what we are doing here. Obviously someone with a restored TAF knows what they are doing. Waving price guides in their face isn't gonna make any friends.

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#80 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from IdahoRealtor:
You'd be surprised. It's a small community. Many locals know that's my location and my ad. One of whom alerted me to this thread as soon as you started it. What you post and whom you're posting about matters.

Look, if it were "gold" I'd agree with you, but it's a "standard!!!"

Anyway good luck with your sale. You are gonna need it. Also no hard feelings if you don't want to accept my offer.

Will you take $7000? It's a standard!!

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#96 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:
Get the book Art of the deal by DJT.

He didn't write it and the author who actually did says he's an idiot.

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#109 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from jj44114:
Seller is not making money on the pin. TAF base game + HEP costs $13k+. Do the math.

Except it’s a standard!

a standard!!!

Not a gold.

NOT EVEN A GOLD!!!

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#112 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

“Newb” is someone who is new to pinball and figuring it out.

“Noob” is someone who is new to pinball, has checked the pinside rankings and price guide, and thinks they are an expert.

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#118 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi

Quoted from Pinphila:
Why Is this thread still open?
Why did the mods allow private messages to be posted. I thought that was forbidden?

It’s not. And even if it were would Craigslist messages count?

Don’t send anybody a PM or email you wouldn’t want everyone to see.

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#139 4 years ago

LEV

CrazyLevi