Quoted from Slim64:But we still price things based on condition
How much would a game cost if it was 2 years late had bad sound and the DMD had tearing?
How much would a game cost w/incomplete software?
See where Im going with this?
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Quoted from Slim64:But we still price things based on condition
How much would a game cost if it was 2 years late had bad sound and the DMD had tearing?
How much would a game cost w/incomplete software?
See where Im going with this?
Quoted from hoby1:bashing the shit out of them
Quoted from hoby1:Ill just keep nodding my head and working with them to find a solution when a problem occurs.
Anything can be new.That doesn't make it better.
I think asking your customers for solutions is lame, should have been covered in the 8k you just spent.
Quoted from xTheBlackKnightx:I have some basic questions, for consideration of owners.
Why did owners buy Stern machines, and not buy a different manufacturer?
Why did owners buy NIB machines?
What experience do people have with games as an operator?
What experience do people have as an a technician in maintaining games on routes or in their own home?
What experience are people aware in the development lifespan of a pinball machine is "in the wild" and what ultimately it is designed for?
Many of these questions and more should be considered before deciding to enter into this hobby.
The current lifecycle of a pinball "collector" is roughly 2-3 years.
Ill play;
1)Stern were the only NIB games for over a decade.So really no choice for about 13 years.JJP is new and somewhat unproven,TH isn't exactly setting the scene on fire.Need a larger sample size from JJP(6 titles)?I guess.Again I think because its new.
2)Owners: some people just want new.I hear it all the time,on here and elsewhere."gimme new".OPs buy for the route.Need the latest title .It has NOTHING to do w/theme,designer,all the stuff home owners look for.Just get a FRESh title at the spot.Anything can be new,that doesn't make it better.Personally NIB is out of the question for me.Im not spending 8K on a DataEast/Sega/Stern product that might never be finished and Im damn sure not waiting 2 years + for anything at those prices.No fuckin way.I really feel that NIB experience sucks right now.Unless your an op,then its necessary
3)Im not an op,but I have 2 close friends who are.Im pretty close to them and they will ask my opinion on new titles.Not that it effects their decisions.One op buys every new Stern for his route and he even will route LEs which is supercool.The other is a little more discerning regarding titles.He currently has a TH and GoT LE at the place right now.Ive helped them move,repair, track down parts,bring backpacks filled w/quarters to the bank.Whatever I can do,and I support their games on their route.They are my friends first,and my local ops second,but it gives me some perspective.
4)Lots of experience maintaining and helping w/fixes.I feel like I can maintain my collection efficiently.Willing to help out on the route if need be.
5) In the wild?coin box.Designed to make money!!!! and of course its fun to play pinball,thats how they wound up in homes.
Just one dudes take on stuff,obviously lots of ways to look at it,and everybody's gotta do what turns them on and what they need to do business(ops)wise.
Quoted from flashinstinct:I'm going to put my money on Gomez
He already runs the show.Im talking about owning.Gomez is salaried employee.Who gets the business?
Quoted from chubtoad13:I'm pretty sure he has a daughter
I thought he was a career bachelor.
I hope she digs pinball.
Quoted from lowepg:So... You get that fact that it's a company, not a monarchy, right?
Yes just wondering who and how it goes forward.Sounds like its
Quoted from Mr68:His name is Dave Peterson
Quoted from Astropin:You never heard of an employee buying out the business?
If he had all that why work for Stern.why not Gomez pinball?
Quoted from Jaybird815:This is quite possibly the dumbest response I've ever read on pinside, and that's saying something
Not so dumb.We all know how much Stern has taken out of there games.Theyve cut corners since day one.
Compare their machines with others and they are at the bottom of the list in build quality.
Big picture:it's a Data East/Sega game right down to the toys and mechs.
Except it somehow costs8-10k now
Quoted from Jaybird815:I think you guys are missing my point, I'm not defending Sterns quality, and think this whole Playfield thing is unacceptable. It's a comment about his response to the initial post
Right on
Quoted from Kiwipinhead:Do we know who made these playfields? CCC? Stern?
Data East?
Sega?
Quoted from PanzerFreak:From a distributor I spoke with a couple months ago I heard that the playfield manufacturer that Stern had been using for years is no longer making the playfields. He made it sound like the former playfield manufacturer and Stern had a failing out over several issues (I assume one being costs). I was also told a new company who has never made playfields before is now making them.
There's been so many other rumors floating around though that I don't know what the real story is. Others have said the former playfield manufacture had been having quality issues and Stern ditched them. There's also rumors that the problem lies with the quality of the wood being used. Who knows what it really is.
What I do know is that any change Stern made (new manufacturer, new build process, etc) should have been properly tested and that they clearly didn't do that. If Stern is going to keep raising prices while cutting corners in other areas the least they can do is ensure that the playfields of all things don't have issues.
The playfield issues, putting the power button in an inconvenient place just to save a few bucks, taking forever to release code updates, not correcting issues with their latest games (GOT orbit issue), lack of communication over issues, and including less in games overall while raising prices are all signs that Stern has become lazy and is just trying to squeeze every dime they can out of consumers.
Somebody somewhere in the pinside universe said Stern has acquired the "pants press" a giant play field dimpler.So you would think they are doing play fields themselves.Working out the kinks?Getting the process together?
I have no proof but that's what I'm thinking based on the current data.
Ok they have had the dimpler. So that's not the problem.
Making their own play fields now?Considering their history of cost cutting whenever and wherever maybe they chintzed out on clear or wood or inserts.My guess is they will get it right.Hopefully sooner rather then later.I guess this caused the delay in shipping that was talked about.
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