buy Heighway

I did. Cancelled my GB LE and ordered a Full Throttle LE from CoinTaker and ordered the Alien conversion kit with beacons and fiber optic ramps too. Full Throttle LE should be here in 2-3 weeks. Melissa is great!

Cancelled my GBLE and bought this HUO MMRLE in perfect condition from a fellow pinsider instead, couldn't be happier.

I'll consider a premium when I see they have corrected all these problems.

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MMR is awesome! You just need that color update now

I think it's great that some people are able to afford multiple games but I am only buying one and I want it to be a GB Premium and my 7 year old son wants it to be a GB Premium too so I hope Stern figures it out and implements the solution before my Premium is made.

Maybe some day I'll be in a position to buy a second pin but for now GB is what we like and what we want however I also want and expect to receive it without any issues so please take as long as you have to Stern to make sure it's right!

There are no limits on how many premiums are made. If people want it, Stern will build it. Why order one if you are concerned about the insert issue? Cancel your premium order today and request your money back. They will be churning out GB pro and prem for years. Wait for Stern to fix the problem and then wait for them to run premiums thereafter, then buy one. It's hard having to wait but it is going to be a huge hassle to rectify the problem. You are creating an artificial issue by ordering first and hoping things get straightened out before shipping. That is a bass acwards approach carrying high levels of risk and low chances of reward. Think about it some

Totally agree. Spend your money on a different game now. Sell it later and buy GB premium when Stern figures their shit out.

I hear you and it is still a thought of mine to cancel and wait but my son will be so disappointed as it is supposed to be his Birthday present that he has been waiting for but then I will be stress free knowing I'm not taking a gamble.

I only have a deposit paid so I imagine when my distributor calls for the balance I can cancel then. Thus giving it the maximum time possible to be resolved. Is that not correct or is that wrong to do?

I'd sit tight and wait it out. Sounds like it will be at least another month or two until Premiums ship which should give Stern enough time to figure out the playfield issues. If they don't have it figured out by then I would cancel.

At the risk of sounding alarmist, what if there is no fix? If the EPA is behind this to begin with, and environmentally friendly formulations are the cause this may be the new normal. I doubt that going back to them and saying that the pinball customers are unhappy with the new coatings, can we go back to the planet-poisoning ones is going to have any impact on regulations...

Just ask Mirco what their using. I'm sure they'd be happy to help.

Then we can move playfield production to China. It doesn't matter how many planets we poison as long as it's not the USA doing the poisoning.

Careful what you wish for.

Given that the playfields were generally fine until a few months ago, blaming the EPA for this mess seems off base. I think we can still blame Stern--at least for continuing to send out defective playfields if they knew about the continuing problems and not adequately communicating with distros/customers about the situation.

Wait, so we should blame the EPA for Stern still shipping games they know may have problems with the playfield ? Also, while we're at it- should we blame the EPA for Stern not officially addressing this issue so customers can get their confidence back in their products?

Blaming the EPA for Stern's manufacturing and customer service deficiencies is like blaming the FDA for someone finding a human finger in their can of baked beans. They have nothing to do with poor manufacturing quality and customer service.

Blame it on Cain.

blame it on the rain ?

How come most other playfields from other companies are ok? Dont blame the epa ...bc it seems to only be affecting stern games from the last 6 months or so

EPA lol

Its Stern

They aren't in the PF biz & we are witnessing Stern learning IMO

Cant you ban his MAC address?

MAC addresses are only used when communicating within the same subnet.

With a game room like that (had to browse all the pics after seeing the SW Cab in background) I think you'll be happy for a long time!

Great collection

Mylar cannot fix or prevent poor quality/workmanship.

Totally not my place to judge you or your parenting, so don't take it this way. But you said you only have money for one game, so I'm guessing you're not super wealthy or anything. Nothing wrong with that!

Maybe your son doesn't need a $6500 birthday present? It's great that you don't want to disappoint him, I have kids too, and I spoil them sometimes. But that's a pretty extravagant present. Is it really for him? Or one of those "get it for myself but call it for my kid" things?

Your money, your kid, spend it however makes you happy. But if the game is defective and takes months to resolve that's not something a kid wants to deal with.

I hate to be cynical but I'm armed with common sense and have been around long enough to know how the world works.

What I think will happen is that Stern will do as little as possible to compensate people that have playfield issues as this will cut too deeply into profits. Eventually a class action lawsuit will be filed by big law firm with lots of capital and they will force Stern to pay compensation to people that purchased this defective product.

Stern, of course will then settle out of court for a negotiated amount of money ending any and all liability against Stern for these defects. The lawyers will then take a significant portion of settlement as their fee for helping you and you will be awarded what will amount to an insignificant amount of money as your share of the compensation.

I know ... I'm starting to sound like Vids.

Cynic part II

Stern, after having to pay compensation to consumers will then seek retribution from the playfield supplier, they will clearly win based on the obvious defects; the manufacturer will likely have to pay more than their business is worth resulting in them shutting down their manufacturing company laying off everyone who worked there. Unfortunately for the manufacturing company, they likely needed to cut corners to compete with the cost of foreign manufacturing which is what resulted in the poor quality of the end product.

Am I close?

My Father passed away September 2015 and left me a little money to allow me an expensive purchase such as a NIB pin and still have a decent savings account. I used to own a CFTBL years ago and vowed to get another pin if and when I could afford it. I was shopping for a pin when Stern announced GB and the search was over. It was just coincidence that my sons birthday was in 7 weeks so I surprised him on his birthday with a GB flyer I had laminated. He's always wanted a MM after playing it in our local Pizza Parlor but once he saw the GB flyer he was sold too. So yes it serves a dual purpose. His excitement about pinball and getting a GB pin is his gift to me.

You forgot the part about pinball companies shutting down for good because nobody is satisfied with anything anymore.

Was completely appalled by his behavior on the GB reveal. If you are in his position you have to have skin a mile thick and regardless of how ridiculous and mean people are on Facebook, Deadflip feeds, here or anywhere else you have to just ignore them. Not make a fool out of yourself going after them, that is what they want. If you can't do that then you aren't suited for the job and need to find something else to do. Facebook has a delete button for a reason and Jody uses it, which is his right. Beyond that just let it go.

He seems Dank.

Perhaps a MMR would be a good subsitute for the time being and you could always sell it to get a GB down the road?

He's "No Daisy."

That sounds like throwing good money after bad right there.

Said his kid was a fan of MM. Take it you have an issue with MMR?

Well, my excitement has caused me to count my chickens before they've hatched as my dinning room table is currently covered with GB MODS waiting to be installed. Of course I was not expecting any issues. I'll either pull the trigger when my distributor contacts me or I'll just wait till all is resolved however long that may take.

No but it seems to have lots of issues all on it's own.

Just went over to the PPS threads to make sure I didn't miss anything here recently and found nothing like this thread.

Try this one started by the proud owner of one of these fine machines.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-nib-repair-kit

Day 2, no ghosting

This is a special pin ladies. Play update later.

550 posts over a year. Compared to what?

Inserts are sanded to level them with the playfield before ink is applied. Any mold release agent would be long gone from the top surface of the insert before the playfield is screened.

insert the off the rails pic...it's headed there

His memes must be incredible.

Decided to cancel my GB Premium order, picking up a Hobbit SE this weekend instead. Plenty of time to grab a GB Premium when Stern gets it together.

Did you go NIB or HUO? Get a decent deal? Keeping my Premium GB order but Hobbit intrigues me.

I went NIB, this is actually my first NIB after 16 years of collecting. Buying from a fellow pinsider who was looking to sell. A friend of mine picked one up last week and I was blown away by the game. I had a lot of fun playing GB, but Hobbit is on another level IMO. It's built like a tank, deep rules, amazing lighting and sound package, the LCD is great.... All around the whole package. I had no interest in Hobbit before playing it. After a few plays, I had to have one!

Visited the Pinball Museum in Seattle today and their SMVE also had ghosting on almost every insert. =(

So it's got to be the clear or the ink right?

So the big culprits really are GBLE and SMVE. Seems like here and there for the rest like GOT and MET.

Kinda funny that when I get my MET Premium tomorrow, the first thing I am checking is the playfield date. lol

Vid mentioned in the other thread that his GBLE inserts were moving... maybe the router that created the holes routed them a tad too big?