Come on you think it's horrible???? Austin Powers is horrible. Original SM is not that bad.

Can we take the SM argument to a SM thread? I thought this was about playfields, cabinets and other QC issues.

Yeah, I could nitpick the shit out of it - but it's relatively cohesive and not offensive like 24 or GOT.

I was told that a Star Wars on location near me has multiple ghosting inserts after about 24hrs/50 plays. I can't believe this still hasn't been resolved.

Pics are on Facebook of multiple SW having ghosting.

It's because Stern doesn't give a Sh*t. If they did, they wouldn't have shipped some dude in Germany a Ghostbusters with (1) ghosting and (2) a playfield with the misspelling on it. Think that happened by accident? NO.

George Gomez publicly said that Stern realizes that the market has shifted from operators to collectors. He talked about how Stern has changed its materials and processes to make products that meet the standards of nit-picky collectors. He admitted that Stern's core buyers are no longer Ops that could care less if a game has a big scratch on the inside black wall... or a misaligned cab decal.

So, what have they done? Well, for starters, the QC out of the factory is clearly not up to snuff. For $5,000 to (what) $15,000 machines to leave with major issues (wrong rails, wrong apron stickers, damaged playfields, mechanically sloppy production, etc) isn't an accident of mass production. It's just poor non-consumer friendly policy. Then there's the cheapening of parts... and just plain laziness on design factors that should have been checked, double-checked, and corrected before mass production.

That's the bad.

The good (for Stern) and what shows they know their customer base has changed, is the fact that they are cranking prices as high as possible. They know their market alright... their own words and price tags prove it. Unfortunately, their games aren't satisfying this notion that they have changed their materials and processes to meet the tough demands of collectors.

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Where on Facebook?

I'm in on a SW pro, ...arriving in two weeks or so.....so I'm very curious.
Distributor told me the problems were solved.

I cancelled my order on the GB LE because of the Ghosting about a year ago.. Did not want to risk it.

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Sorry about your game experience. Totally unacceptable on any level...and absolutely crazy that they shoved that crap playfield into your game.

People are spending serious coin on these games and Stern knows exactly what's going on. Really troubling.

Where are the FB pics?

I was told issue has been resolved and was only one insert due to a node board behind the insert and over tightening pulling insert away causing the ghosting

Not because of any clear job issues

I have only seen two different Star Wars machines with ghosting. I guess by definition that's "multiple," but that's the extent of what I've been able to find.

On the same insert right?

This was from Stern yesterday

Hot dog inserts on both games, yeah. One had very small slivers of ghosting, the other had a bit more noticeable issue.

They claim they have resolved the issue with placement of the node board

We will see. Will be interesting to see if any other spots pop up. Or chipping

I'm pretty sure they aren't gonna want to relive the GB experience. Cost them a fortune and not done yet

I hope there's not a widespread issue. It's seriously the last thing Stern and the community needs right now.

Cut too many corners and cheapened processes too much, to save a few dollars per game (the margins are real healthy already) and it back fired ended up costing them thousands per game

After the GB QC issues, B66 exploitation cash grab & code debacle, cabinet splitting issues, and unresolved code issues on older games, the "community" needs to STOP BUYING THESE GAMES!!!!! Stern has shown us their cards over and over. Stop buying. Stop. Just stop. Thousands of great pinball titles exist. You don't need the new ones to be "in the hobby" or a "collector".

I stopped. Got a AFMr LE on order and backed out of a SW LE

At this time, dropping out of a NIB Stern is the only sensible thing to do.

Greg - I agree with sentiment 1000% percent.

Good. I feel like CGC might be the only pinball company left offering something that I can see the value in. Sure, it's an "old" game...but you're getting a known COMPLETE game & a bonafide classic that you KNOW is fun and plays well...plus you get improvements and extra bling, good communication from company employees, they're quickly implementing suggestions to code and QC...the price isn't totally bonkers for what you're getting compared to other new games on the market...if I was in the market for a new game, a CGC remake would be where I went. AFM isn't quite my bag, but I'll be keeping an eye on their future games for sure. If they do BBB with the giant screen and "HD dots", I'm in.

Hate to add fuel to the fire, but hopefully more awareness may bring faster resolve... wishful thinking most likely...

This game was unboxed yesterday or close to it and put on location. I quit taking pictures after the finding the first 3 ghosting inserts - there were more.

SW is still incredibly fun to play and sounded absolutely amazing.

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Man, I was so close to pulling the trigger on SW. I ended grabbing a Pinbot and am now putting more time and money in than I will probable ever get out of it and I could not be happier. I can't imagine Stern can get away with this quality forever, I'm honestly surprised they haven't been slapped with a class action in the US.

Were they um....over 3+ node boards?

Lol. Yeah, I chuckled when I read that node boards were causing these...

Was there more Ghosting on this one besides the Hot Dog Insert?

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Ironically, none of the hot dog inserts were ghosting...

So's a $15 Blu-Ray.

I get your sarcasm... but don't really find it all that funny.

Even with the code as is, this version of SW is by far better than any other previous SW pin out there. I know that's not saying much, but it's fun.

Those darn Node Boards

I'm not a SW fan, so I don't really care about any of the SW pins....however, I highly dislike the Math-Chess rules, so if I had a choice I'd play the DE version...if anything I like the funky music in that one. My girlfriend is a huge SW movie fan...I took her to play the new SW pin. She hated it. She'd also rather play the DE one.

That came straight from Stern but apparently we have a problem now with T-800 and those multiple inserts.

That's no bueno.

Number 1 looks like some ghosting.

Unbelievable that this issue is back again, yikes.

I is def ghosting too.

They must be making so much money they don't care about PF replacements? Wow

There will be 17 Star Wars pros set up at California Extreme. If this is widespread, I'm sure that at least one of those will show ghosting. I'll spot check and see if anything shows up on them. I know that's not a big enough sample to make the best conclusion from, but I doubt we'll get a chance to find much better any time soon.

If it's just a few, then replacement will probably be quick and easy. If it's widespread again...dang. I waited a long time for the GBLE playfield swap. But whatever the situation is, play the crap out of that thing, because nothing is better than getting a free replacement playfield after you put over 1,000 plays on a game.

Looks like we can expect another round of price increases to pay for these problems.

Not true. I'm sure Stern can hand pick flawless games for a show.

I doubt that will tell you very much unless you can pop the hood on all of them and get clear indication where each playfield was made. From what I learned from GB, ghosting was mostly driven by original manufacturer.

"Stern" and "flawless" should never be used in the same sentence.

Heh, ghostless then?

Added over 7 years ago: We hugged it out

Why the heck is this issue back?

As far as I know there were very few incidents of ghosting on AS. One or two maybe?

Already way more on SW.

Very odd.

But you don't have to focus on them at all...you can just play the game without working on the multipliers.

I would, but there's nothing satisfying or fun to do other than bat the ball around a featureless flowfield. I'd rather just play something else. Dialed In will get my location quarters at the moment. It's fun enough on the surface and satisfying to play....I want to continue to play it and will learn its depth eventually.

I love AC/DC. I love Metallica. I love LOTR. I love TSPP. I love Hobbit.

Those are all deep games. Some might say complicated.

So, no, I've never said I don't like complicated rules. That's what you said to passive-aggressively infer I'm a dopey dope who only likes da stoopid games for dum-duns. I like rules that are organic to the theme, have interesting and satisfying features, and can be satisfying on that level to start - then you start learning the nuance and it opens up another level of enjoyment.