Perhaps Danesi 2? I’d be disappointed though if he didn’t do his own sound track.

*edit: just read up on the thread and see the word is it’s a classic Stern retheme.

Gosh, and here we were all pumped for another classic Stern retheme. Ah well, this is the nicest looking of The Nelli clones but it sure seems like Stern doesn’t realize that most of us don’t want EM reskins, we want SS reskins.

If this was a reskin of Stars or Quicksilver or Meteor there would be a lot of demand. The art package is great.

I hear what you guys are saying, but if Stern wanted to grow the pinball market they would still have reskinned an 80’s game than this early 60’s em style. The early SS games are good games and hold up well today playwise. Make some of these die hard primus fans turn into pinball fans and get them a good competitive layout.

Are the parts really cheaper for Nellie than they would be for a Dragonfist? By how much if so? Serious question.

Hmm, interesting but I partially disagree. I don’t think we are too far off though.

So, I totally get Stern going back to the well on the canned Nellie design and rules. Easy layout for them to work with and slap new art and sounds on and “boom!” Instant game with no expenditures. They did it for PBR and now Primis. Great.

My thought would be if Stern wants a design to be a canned design for games like Nellie, PBR, and Primus...do it with an 80’s design and not a early 60’s design. Go ahead and put a little effort to redo Stars or something and make it the skin and rule set available for contract games moving forward.

People, generally, like the 80’s games more than the 60’s game. They play better. They are more likely to grow the hobby by giving people a better expierence. Stern can keep using the same one over and over again...they just need to make their canned re-design and rule set once.

Anyway, I get the cost and ease thing of just keep redoing Nellie...but jeez, give people a better gaming expierence with a 80’s canned layout and it might help bring more people into pinball than than the unimaginative early 60’s Nellie layout single player flat game...

But for all we know they were given a menu of just one game design: “If you want us to do a private label game for you Primus, this is the one we will do” as “it truly won’t take any sales away from other offerings”.

Anyway, I suppose it all comes back to cost and effort. Regardless of what might be preferred by more people, the Nellie design is the one they had ready to go now so this is what we get. All is fine, I’d certainly rather have this game exist then no game.

I wouldn’t say zero appreciation, games such as Grand Prix, Target Alpha and Centigrade are the bees knees. This Nellie layout is fairly simple from a 70’s EM perspective...plenty of primarily em guys feel Nellie is lacking...heck, it’s a single player so who wouldn’t want more?

Anyway, CrazyLevi says Primus felt this game would sell on art alone so “who gives a crap” about anything else, and he and Stern clearly share the this same “who gives a crap” vision for Pinball. Doesn’t mean we can’t wish Stern aspired for more to protect and expand their brand...but if Stern doesn’t care about the intigrety of their brand and making a product that plays as good as it looks then why should you.

The “integrity of their brand” is a different thing from their integrity. A company should constantly strive to put a top flight product into commerce and should always be expanding their market.

I agree that this game looks great and I’d rather it exist as is than not exist. I hope it also sounds as good as it looks.

That’s good to know and I hadn’t noticed that. Why anyone would want to make a single player game today would be beyond me.

LOL, now you are just being intentionally obtuse. It’s fine that Stern used this and I get they went with the canned layout they had ready and that said canned layout was cheaper than making an all new layout. The point that many wish/desire Stern would have a different canned layout based on an 80’s game ready for contract manufacturing purposes is not something that anyone needs to reach out to Primus over. We are simply saying Stern should have more options readily available.

Also, you are not inside the room with Primus and Stern on their negotiations Levi so you don’t know the discussion. You are simply conjecturing something that you think makes sense. For all you know Stern said, “hey Primus, we will do a botique game for you, but we simply can’t have it be something our regular customers would buy as that would cannibalize our future game sales, so you get this layout for your 100 games or you take your 100 game order elsewhere.”

You can keep saying Primus got exactly what they wanted but for all you know they merely got something that was borderline acceptable to them. None of us know or are likely to know.

That’s a straw man statement, we all know it’s true and all agree there.

I’ll leave it with this, I agree with the above. What is good for Stern is, generally speaking, good for pinball. This doesn’t mean people can’t have higher expectations for Stern and desire products more suitable to the expierence they want to have...but Stern has made a beautiful Primus pinball machine here and we are all glad they are making new games.

Id say you simply missed the earlier part of your second quote of mine (since that part didn’t suit your quote) where I mentioned I hadn’t noticed it was designed that way...but we both know you saw it and are just looking to argue when no argument is there. You have a nice day.