Only on Pinside could a band with multiple platinum albums be put down as not being big enough for a pinball which would be a big hit if it managed to sell a few thousand units.

Primus sucks!

Pin looks beautiful, glad the designers had fun. No doubt they’ll sell all 100. Reskinning Woah Nellie yet again is about as exciting as a wet fart, but that’s business.

Who would have thought such an unremarkable game would get versions by Greg Freres, Zombie Yeti and Zoltron, and Dirty Donny? Kind of a colossal waste of talent really. Game is fun enough for what it is, but eh.

Still, eventually something fun may come of all of this, so here’s hoping.

It's a forum for people who are excited about pinball. A 'new' game shows up, and it's a reskin of a game that was already reskinned once before, and wasn't particularly popular before that in the original version. So of course people are expressing some disappointment, that's not exciting.

Everyone talking sense about Stern's business model is of course totally correct. It makes sense from a financial standpoint. The collectors probably won't care or even know. But it seems pretty reasonable to me that enthusiasts who do know would talk about what a missed opportunity it feels like still.

Art looks great, I love Primus, there's no question that of the 3 versions of the game this is the one I'd want. But I don't want it, and many here won't, and that's pretty much a normal reaction. If it was, say a Star Gazer reskin, as some suggested, I think the complaining would be more about how people couldn't get one.

Either way, I don't think it's hate for Stern, we get it. Still kinda sucks though. What's hard to get about that really?

Game looks gorgeous. To me at least the 'better art' part of the equation has definitely been fulfilled not only on this title, but just having you in the hobby in general. I hope you feel appreciated and not just frustrated, because you've earned lots of props, and the weird and rough journey that got you to Stern really did improve the hobby. No hyperbole there.

But let's be real, the 'new ideas' part isn't even remotely there on this. Woah Nellie is a recycled layout to begin with. My friend owns the original conversion Greg and Dennis made, Woah Nellie #1, I've played it. I'm aware of what changed from Continental Cafe to the EM prototype to the digital Stern commercial version, and it's not some amazing transformation into new thinking. It's a basic ass game with old ideas that's cute and fun for what it is, and that's it. Sorry. Even the digital score reel has already been done before Stern by hobbyists.

Then it got reskinned into a freaking beer commercial, and that was hilarious in its own way, but kind of a sad indictment of how bad Woah Nellie did. If anyone has any illusions about it Stern utterly fucked Dennis on Woah Nellie. All these sad "wah wah that's business!" posts can eat shit really, I don't want to hear anything about poor Stern in this thread. The legacy of that game is tarnished and shitty, and the way they keep Weekend At Bernie's-ing the corpse is mostly just sad. I hope he's seeing more than pennies for these, but I haven't spoken to him about it since before Pabst, so I have no idea if he's getting a dime for any of this. If you think he was happy about how the original game and deal worked out think again though.

I love Primus, been a fan since 1991, they were a local band, and Sailing the Seas was a big deal for us when it came out. Super cool that they got a game, and with some killer art that really represents their style and history. Knocked it out of the park, great work. Seriously, looks awesome!

It's also, from a *game* standpoint, a lame reskin of a beer game that was a tacky boob game that was a frankensteined woodrail that Stern fucked the designer over on. So yeah, "new ideas" ain't it, and don't be mad that people aren't dumb and can see that. If you treat this like one bad ass concert poster collectible then it's all good, killer work, props to you. If you look at this as pinball, which is about playing games, and not jerking off over limited editions and not caring about the actual gameplay then it's a wet fart. Don't ask us to sniff it and call it roses.

Wow. No one insulted you or your work or had anything but positive things to say about your contribution, and then you come back with some personally insulting garbage like that? You really couldn't have said something shittier to me. Go outside or something, you're way out of line with that nonsense.

Congrats, you reinvented retheming Woah Nellie with hand drawn art for a boutique hipster theme. What an amazing new idea you have there.

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