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HEP This Week 9-9-19


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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 35 votes
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  • Blacked out 54 votes
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  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 24 votes
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#4751 5 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Thank you Skip. I really appreciate it. Often I feel like I should have went a different way with this stuff and stayed in the automotive side but the freedom and flat out coolness of pinball has been pretty rewarding over the years.

The nice thing about what you are doing is you can work from home. That is hard to do when painting cars or even motorcycles. Just that has plenty of perks but beyond that it is kind of a hobby turned business so as long as you love it why not keep doing it. I just hope your customers realize what a great job you do with these machines. The price point of doing things the way you do them eliminates a lot of people that don't really care anyway.

Keep amazing all of us! You give the guys trying to do it themselves plenty of inspiration and at the same time share just enough of the tricks of the trade for people to continue to learn from you. I know I'll never own one of your machines but I still enjoy seeing your post everyday. I am more of the "rat rod" type guy when it comes to pinball machines & like to see some bumps & bruises on them instead of a fully restored machine but I can still respect what it takes to bring a machine to the level HEP does.

But as I told you when we talked in person the thing that amazes me the most is how you have everything down to a nice easy system. Organization is one of the things you do better than most of us and the organized attack helps you accomplish more in a day than most of us can accomplish in a week. Totally amazing!

#4752 5 days ago

I’ve been casually into pinball playing and collecting for sometime, but really got serious about five years ago. I’ve heard about some of the other high end restorers have come and gone for example, I understand Jim McCune did some outstanding work, but is now into classic cars.
Chris, I hope you’re here to stay because I have plenty of games that need your special touch.

#4753 4 days ago

With Spirit 1 in the books I can now better tackle Spirit 2 and then 3 then 4

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Both 2 and 3 are incredibly rough.
The need to really break them down even further than 1 is way they are done in the order they are.
I needed to completely familiarize myself before diving in even deeper.
The issue with these are hacked wiring which I will cover and address later and even more troublesome major corrosion and surface rust.
This is an issue on everything from the coil brackets.
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The cabinet hardware big and small

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#4754 4 days ago

The worst of it to deal with looks to be the coin door.
It took quite a bit to break that down.

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I found this in there.

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Even the brackets that secure the upper playfield will have to be dealt with.
So all that is broke down and heading off to plating.

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#4755 4 days ago

These are the most satisfying restores. Take a near basket case example a cool, rare game and transform it into a masterpiece. Can't wait to see the before & after.

#4756 4 days ago

A 20 cent piece. I have a couple of them in my wallet, we don't do quarters.

#4757 4 days ago

I am now also ready to enter the next phase of the Radical restoration.
The need/desire to save the current cabinet art put a much more complex spin on the project.
I am gutting it now.

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#4758 4 days ago

Now the cabinet is empty
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Often people will comment how nice the cabinets might look based mostly on if they are faded or not.
When it comes to fade I can say it is nice but the condition around the legs is a problem.
This is another thing you hear sometimes how an original cabinet is better than a decaled one.
It is a possible debate if you are talking about a true screened to wood cabinet but on these that are screened to vinyl anyway it is really no different with the exception of a well decaled cabinet with proper protections will hold up better.
Here are the challenges on the lower cabinet to deal with.

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#4759 4 days ago

Dealing with wrinkled vinyl but still trying to save the art it is one of the biggest challenges of doing this work.
Without a doubt stripping the cabinet and decaling it would be easier but the lack of quality decals makes this repair process necessary.

First thing that needs to happen is to cut away the bubbles because it will never be level or solid with them there.
Everything that is puckered is shaved off.
There is a definite art and technique to it do you do as little damage as possible yet still remove the problem spots.
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#4760 4 days ago

Now into the paint shop for the lower

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#4761 4 days ago

The leg wrinkles are carefully filled and sanded.
This is a tough move because it only makes more work for me and opens the door for some future compromises since I can’t possibly perfectly match every color and detail but it is a needed step to make it solid and durable.

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#4762 4 days ago

Like most blue games of the era the inside is a different shade of blue than the outside.
My plan is to better match the inside to the outside.
For now it is just roughly sanded clean. Not detailed yet. Too much work ahead to waste time on that yet.

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#4763 4 days ago

Just roughing some foundation colors in for now. When I get closer and a more perfect surface I will make a real effort to color match but for now I just want to lock something down that is close enough to use under the future repaints.
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Bluish shade is purposeful dark so it will act as a good base for both the blue and black.

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#4764 4 days ago

Some yellow work just roughed in. The idea is to get it solid and just better off than wrinkled or bare filler.
Hopefully tomorrow I will get a chance to plastic prep it and clear it.
From there after it cures it should be much more workable and I can start dialing in colors and art. Neither will be perfect but as long as it is kept to a minimum at the leg locations it should be a reasonable trade off or alternative to stripping and decaling.

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#4765 4 days ago

Amazing watching the transformation of the wrinkled Radical cabinet!

#4766 3 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

With Spirit 1 in the books I can now better tackle Spirit 2 and then 3 then 4
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Both 2 and 3 are incredibly rough.

Nice job and amazing work as always Chris! Is Spirit 1 mine? Your work and ethic are second to none. Well worth waiting for. Know system 80 Gottliebs are your least favorite working on next to ems. Thanks again!

#4767 3 days ago

Thanks Rob.
Spirit 1 is going to the west coast.
Yours is in the mix it is Spirit 3.

They are done in order of conditions and timing of funding.
Spirit 1 was in the best condition and funded first.
This is the game I completely gutted and had the cabinets made off of for all Spirit projects
It also is the cabinet that I shipped down to FL to have stencils created from.
Using the best example possible to do those things yields the best results.

Spirit 2 is in worse condition than Spirit 1 and was funded second. It has the advantage of not needing the down time #1 had because the cabinets,stencils and playfields are already in place now as a result of my legwork and outsourcing on #1.

Spirit 3 is in the worst condition and the latest to be funded. Like #2 it will benefit from the process of #1 without the down time.

The reason they are done like this is because once I work through the better condition games I am most familiar and equipped to handle the worst ones.

When funding is collected it pays for new cabinets,stencils,paint,playfields,plating,coils,lamp sockets ,etc etc.
These are the things needed to both have in hand and also have ready to go before I actually disassemble the game which is why it is called a teardown payment.

Hopefully that is insightful and not at all specific to just these games but many others that require this much extra effort and outsourcing.

#4768 3 days ago

With the Radical cabinet brewing I also need to set up some more straightforward cabinets.
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The other cabinet to prep and prime will be a TOTAN.

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#4769 3 days ago

Radical and TOTAN cabinets are prepped and ready to prime.

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#4770 3 days ago

Primed and guide coated.

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#4771 3 days ago

Long day on the Radical cabinet.
I decided to actually try to get the basic blue and black scheme knocked out before I do the first clear. That being the case I wiped off the passing attempt I made yesterday in order to best see the designs underneath.
The blue on the outside is impossible to really match because it is such a thin layer of screening over white that the white shows through.
I wasted a bunch of paint trying to match it then wasted time at the paint store letting them take a shot at it. They actually did worse than me even with the computer so I did feel a sense of vindication and went with my own mix
Don’t even ask about that neon orange they almost laughed me out of there with that one
Anyway here it goes

Mask
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Unmask
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This was done on each corner in the blue and black areas.

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#4772 3 days ago

Next I sanded the primer and masked it to paint the blue.

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#4773 3 days ago

After that I unmasked it and treated it with adhesion promoter.

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#4774 3 days ago

Now it is ready and cleared for the first time. 3948F145-9E7E-41AF-B95E-0218BDB21D5C (resized).jpeg
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Looking pretty promising. I will of course have the yellow and some other repairs coming up but not a bad place to work off of compared to where I started.

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#4775 3 days ago

Really nice color match!

Evidently the impossible, is possible at HEP !

#4776 3 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Long day on the Radical cabinet.
I decided to actually try to get the basic blue and black scheme knocked out before I do the first clear. That being the case I wiped off the passing attempt I made yesterday in order to best see the designs underneath.
The blue on the outside is impossible to really match because it is such a thin layer of screening over white that the white shows through.
I wasted a bunch of paint trying to match it then wasted time at the paint store letting them take a shot at it. They actually did worse than me even with the computer so I did feel a sense of vindication and went with my own mix
Don’t even ask about that neon orange they almost laughed me out of there with that one
Anyway here it goes
Mask
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Cut [quoted image]
Spray [quoted image]
Unmask
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This was done on each corner in the blue and black areas.[quoted image]

What's that transparent roll you use for masking?

#4777 3 days ago

Why is there not an always on camera in your shop that lets us watch everything! Amazing work!!

#4778 2 days ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

What's that transparent roll you use for masking?

Frisket masking

#4779 2 days ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

Why is there not an always on camera in your shop that lets us watch everything! Amazing work!!

I would tune into the Chriscam as often as possible...

#4780 2 days ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

Why is there not an always on camera in your shop that lets us watch everything! Amazing work!!

Quoted from cosmokramer:

I would tune into the Chriscam as often as possible...

Please guys I dont need another reason not to work!

#4781 2 days ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

Why is there not an always on camera in your shop that lets us watch everything! Amazing work!!

It could be a subscription service. People pay for weirder things.

#4782 2 days ago
Quoted from Pinmeister:

It could be a subscription service. People pay for weirder things.

I would pay, no joke. I can watch a master work all day…especially a master of a craft I am interested in.

#4783 2 days ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

I would pay, no joke. I can watch a master work all day…especially a master of a craft I am interested in.

Sure. Make it a big brother type setup where you have 4 camera views (two overhead pointing straight down, and two at angles and you pick the view you want. Sounds like the genesis of a TLC streaming show once he gets the kinks worked out of the production with us as guinea pigs.

#4784 2 days ago

I certainly would not want to work with 4 cameras watching me 24/7 no thank you!!!

#4785 1 day ago
Quoted from russdx:

I certainly would not want to work with 4 cameras watching me 24/7 no thank you!!!

I would have to wear pants....more

#4786 1 day ago

Let’s catch things up.

First I sanded and painted /cleared the TOTAN cabinet along with the bolts
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#4787 1 day ago

Next I started prepping my next Harlem Globetrotters cabinet.
This one was a disaster but I was able to salvage it.
So it was sitting in my nice climate controlled shop for a couple weeks just like this with an apron laying on top of it.
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When I moved the apron off it to start prepping it I couldn’t believe my eyes.
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WTF!!!!!!!
Never have seen this before. Ever!!
I immediately reach out to my cabinet builder and he offers to build me another.
I think to myself I can probably just fix it so let’s see what the problem is.
I pop the bubbled top veneer off and it becomes clear what the problem is.
Certainly not the builders fault just a flawed piece of wood that somehow made it into this cabinet build. There were no obvious signs from the outside.
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#4788 1 day ago

I filled it with fiberglass first. This will solidify the wood
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Sanded that after a couple hours and felt good about moving forward. 31EB6591-EBC2-476B-9202-72DAC2A45428 (resized).jpeg

Then I discovered another issue.
If I wouldn’t have already put the effort in on the front I would have scrapped it but.
The top plate of the neck is too thin.
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#4789 1 day ago

Knocked the neck off and found it had no t nuts either

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Shimmed and then glued and screwed the neck back on after installing t nuts. A83DB6E7-5B78-4B2E-8457-747C397AB1A1 (resized).jpeg
Shaved it down and fiberglass’s that.

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#4790 1 day ago

Busted the fiberglass down did all the finish work in filler
Blasted the spinners now it is ready to prime.

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#4791 1 day ago

HG 2 cabinet and head are primed and guidecoated.

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#4792 1 day ago

Now I can start prepping the Radical cabinet for the next round of repairs and repaints.
First to sand the lower.
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As I sand it you can see the factory texture in the clear applied so this will act as a guide to sand. 6D4D5D80-F7CE-491F-9E3E-CBD1E02C3D81 (resized).jpeg
Sanded and wiped down

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The hole in the front in now filled and I will start working on the repaints.
These continue to become more numerous as I make repairs and corrections.
I know I will be changing the yellow stripes with the fluorescent paisley pattern because I just can’t do that with my methods and skill set but we will see how it evolves as I go.

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#4793 1 day ago

On another note my latest beer shipment has arrived.

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#4794 1 day ago

Going with this one tonight.

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#4795 9 hours ago

Rode my bike to the warehouse and packed a game.
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Came back and sanded and prepped the HG cabinet.
I didn’t have the patience for the Radical today. Have to be in the mood for that type of work and it is a bit too tedious for a Sunday.

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#4796 8 hours ago

HG 2 cabinet based in white. 09BED045-A894-4C73-8F10-C255F94D87B7 (resized).jpeg
Stenciled going with the stock look on this one I.e red ball
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Cleared. After it flashed off I needed to place the head out of the way because I needed the stand.
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Cleared the playfield for it also but with regular clear. The cabinet was done in matte.
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Managed to squeeze a NOS SC playfield for an upcoming project in the mix as well.

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