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HEP This Week 10-19-2020


By High_End_Pins

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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 35 votes
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  • Blacked out 54 votes
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  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 24 votes
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#2051 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

The EBD 2 owner sent and request a playfield protector.
I have never installed one so I thought to check it over.
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What I find is that it really doesn’t line up nor look ideal for game play.
If I align one thing perfectly it throws something else off.
The large gap around the rollover in particular looks like a ball trap so I will skip using it
Just not comfortable with it nor would I want to inherit whatever complications it could bring.
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Ugh; That isn’t very good at all. Thanks for sharing. I put one on a WW and fit was spot on. But I think using one on a machine from you hides your talent and like putting a blanket over it. I wouldnt cover a playfield you’ve done!

#2052 1 year ago

I just bought a ebd that has a protector on it and the ball does skip over the roll over. I even trimmed a couple inches off below the roll over and still misses it. I’ll trim a couple more and see what happens.

#2053 1 year ago
Quoted from firefighter:

I just bought a ebd that has a protector on it and the ball does skip over the roll over. I even trimmed a couple inches off below the roll over and still misses it. I’ll trim a couple more and see what happens.

I was wondering why there was such a large gap. Makes sense!

#2054 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

The EBD 2 owner sent and request a playfield protector.
I have never installed one so I thought to check it over.
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What I find is that it really doesn’t line up nor look ideal for game play.
If I align one thing perfectly it throws something else off.
The large gap around the rollover in particular looks like a ball trap so I will skip using it
Just not comfortable with it nor would I want to inherit whatever complications it could bring.
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I’ve installed three of hem no and I haven’t seen any of them be that off. I’m kind of surprised.

#2055 1 year ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

I’ve installed three of hem no and I haven’t seen any of them be that off. I’m kind of surprised.

Could be more off on this playfield than a factory version since it is a CPR.
The biggest thing I did not like the looks of was the large gap in front of and behind the insert rollover though. I could have worked with or trimmed some of the other spots for a better fit.

#2056 1 year ago

We start this week off with breakfast
Two boiled eggs
1 slice Sprouted grains bread
1 tablespoon of natural peanut butter
1 banana
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The topside of the EBD 2 donor playfield is stripped. image (resized).jpg

This allows me to flip it over and start stripping the bottom side.
This will go a bit slowly because I will make sub assemblies and harnesses up as I remove the parts.
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The first parts to remove will be the largest starting with the seven drop target bank.

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#2057 1 year ago

The EBD 2 target banks are rebuilt.

All now have nickel plated bottom brackets,color correct wiring,clear tubing,plugs and of course new drop targets.
Parts not plated were cleaned and or polished.
On things like the knock down bracket I don’t go overboard because to really tear it down would destroy the rubber grommets.

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#2058 1 year ago

Now I will start building up the special Whirlwind cabinet. image (resized).jpg

First step is braiding it.

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#2059 1 year ago

The special Whirlwind base game is rough in terms of the cabinet.
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There are some bright spots.
The playfield is nice and it is a true Diamond Plate version. image (resized).jpg
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The only concern on it will be what lurks under The Cliffys. image (resized).jpg

I will be restoring this playfield though not replacing it.

#2060 1 year ago

Excited to see the WW finish up!

#2061 1 year ago
Quoted from pintechev:

Excited to see the WW finish up!

It is probably just getting started really.
I also need to work the Whirlwind prototype in the mix.
I am told this may possibly be Whirlwind #1
It is s strange dynamic where you want to keep one as original as possible and make significant cosmetic changes to the other.

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#2062 1 year ago

Special Whirlwind lower is neatly braided with updated leg plated and protectors installed.

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#2063 1 year ago

Careful. Lawlor might be watching. Dont need that again. Lol.

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#2064 1 year ago
Quoted from lurch:

Careful. Lawlor might be watching. Dont need that again. Lol.

He will have to take it up with Kong.
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He is a bit hung over today though partied too hard with the guys from MB

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Only thing he hates worse than having to deal with prototypes is detailing IJ Idols.I asked him nicely to help out but it was a no.
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#2065 1 year ago

Going with standard stainless trim on this game I feel like the paint job on the cabinet is enough on its own and the stainless and this shade of blue always work nicely together.
The replacement rails tend to run off the cabinet just a touch.
I mark them
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Then grind a radius to clean them up
Individually first. 2C704E81-7D65-49ED-9589-FFEB0D180935 (resized).jpeg
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#2066 1 year ago

Siderails are then placed.

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Maverick is anchored down but he has drug his anchor to the vacuum cleaner and continued his mission of destroying the end of it. image (resized).jpg

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#2067 1 year ago

I like clear buttons on stainless rails.
They blend in well.
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Going with the interior decals on this one and I have true stainless hinges as well
They are WPC95 because I prefer the indentation to keep the hinge from scrubbing the rail.

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#2068 1 year ago

Head is mounted on lower.
Starting to look like something.

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#2069 1 year ago

Chris would you mind sharing how you were able to get the yellow standup targets on EBD to clean up so nicely?

#2070 1 year ago

That is really good looking.

#2071 1 year ago
Quoted from Thrillhouse:

Chris would you mind sharing how you were able to get the yellow standup targets on EBD to clean up so nicely?

I wiped them down with adhesive remover/cleaner .
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Then polished them by hand one at a time with buffing compound.

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#2072 1 year ago

Looks like this week will be EBD 2 mornings and ??? afternoons.

That said I would like to tackle the EBD pop bumper mechs this morning.

This era pop bumper is pretty involved.
There isn’t anything special about it it is just that they cram so much on the switch.
One pop bumper has 8 wires
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Of those 8 wires 6 are off the harness and the other 2 just finish carrying the connection to the lamp socket

Also there are the diode and capacitor to work in there and there is very little room to work with.
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Cosmetically these are rusty.

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#2073 1 year ago

This evening we start to tell the tale of two Whirlwinds.
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Whirlwind #1 and I literally mean #1. Prototype image (resized).jpg

Then we have a sample game

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#2074 1 year ago

I will do my best to note the differences and even then a production version will still have some other differences but I can just compare what is in front of me.

The most eye catching difference at a glance is the proto topper.
The chicken wire housing sits outside of the topper and the fan set forward within it. Mounted on a spacer of sorts.
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Sample game has the traditional topper.
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The translite s are both identical and the more rare cubs hat version.

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#2075 1 year ago

Moving down we get to the speaker panel.
The WW #1 has a few differences.
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The most obvious is the strange river on changes to the Super cellar door value.
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The final is the speaker grills they are the circled W
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The sample game has the production colors and grills without the riveted changes of course.

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#2076 1 year ago

Closing out the head I see some minor things.
First the construction is different.
The lower plate is not joined as normal on the prototype. image (resized).jpg

This is normal on the sample game.
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Next on the prototype I can see where a lock hole has been plugs on the side of the head. This must have been a repurposed head from a previous game that used the side locking mech.
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Looking at the back of the head a couple more things show up on the prototype topper it has more venting image (resized).jpg

Sample
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One of the coolest things on the prototype is this letter stapled to the back of the head.

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#2077 1 year ago

Curious to know when you get samples/prototypes in the shop do you dump the rom's and send them off to ipdb on the off chance they may be something not seen in the wild before?

#2078 1 year ago

On to the outer cabinet.
Whirlwind #1 is a more vivid shade of blue and has no Williams script within the artwork.
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Sample does.
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Not much more to it on the lower.

Now for the playfield.
Whirlwind 1 prototype
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Not a whole lot but while it is clearly diamond plated it doesn’t say so.

Proto
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Prototype has some different locations for lettering and post.
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Sample same area.

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#2079 1 year ago

Most other playfield parts and assemblies on the topside look about the same.
The prototype ramps have less and more simplistic decals.
Prototype
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Sample.

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#2080 1 year ago
Quoted from roar:

Curious to know when you get samples/prototypes in the shop do you dump the rom's and send them off to ipdb on the off chance they may be something not seen in the wild before?

Wouldn't that be up to the owner of the game, and not Chris ?

LTG : )

#2081 1 year ago
Quoted from roar:

Curious to know when you get samples/prototypes in the shop do you dump the rom's and send them off to ipdb on the off chance they may be something not seen in the wild before?

I could tell you that the game ROM to whirlwind is all code...
There is no ASCII;or strings of words. All hex code/binary/machine language.

#2082 1 year ago

The aprons differ a bit
Whirlwind 1 is numbered at 575
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Sample 574
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Prototype has lane change scripts.
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Sample does not since there aren’t any lanes to change anyway.

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#2083 1 year ago

The final topside difference seen is the lamp panel/plastic set blocks on the prototype are unfinished and it has the expected red board. Broken plastic too image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpg

Sample. image (resized).jpg

By the looks of that they seem to have moved the blocks and panel forward.

I can see on the prototype location where the flasher dome could easily grab and break it.
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The sample has a larger gap built in.

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#2084 1 year ago

Now we open the heads.
Prototype and sample have matching lamp panels nothing of note there except the serial tag on the prototype. image (resized).jpg
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Looking a little deeper the prototype has some differences.
Most noticeable is the rougher routing of wiring and makeshift hole. image (resized).jpg

Also I do not see the triac board. Could be under the topper?

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The sample is in line with a production version and the triac is clearly visible.
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On the prototype all boards are tagged and match the prototype serial numbers.

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#2085 1 year ago

As I start looking the prototype over it becomes a start I am familiar with on these where they have either sat or been neglected like any other game
Batteries. image (resized).jpg

Rust and corrosion. image (resized).jpg

#2086 1 year ago

Opening them up they look fairly identical underneath the playfield.
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Whirlwind 1 has the red boards that help further designate its prototype status.

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It also has a terrible rust and corrosion problem

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#2087 1 year ago

I do spot a couple or more cool things on the prototype.
These are likely designer notes.
Roll Pins F-Up!
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3/8” move
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Move spot
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Move 11/16”
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Move flasher.
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Bad spot

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Missing spot
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There are several more but more hidden or covered.

#2088 1 year ago

Pulled both spinning disc assemblies.
Both need to be replated. Prototype is a rusty mess.

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#2089 1 year ago

You think its Pats writing? If so I think id try to preserve that. This is sweet! Please keep the pics coming!

Edit: just saw you updated the serial database. Thank you! I feel its important piece of history!

#2090 1 year ago
Quoted from LTG:

Wouldn't that be up to the owner of the game, and not Chris ?
LTG : )

I don’t think it’s up to either I was more curious to know if he did.

#2091 1 year ago
Quoted from roar:

I don’t think it’s up to either

If the owner spent huge money on a rare item. He may or may not want parts of it shared for all to have.

I would hope the owner would. And understand if the owner didn't.

When I had the Pinball Circus machine here in 2006, I could have copied all the ROMs. I didn't. Wasn't my game. I didn't even ask if I could. None of my concern. I would have liked to seen them shared, but that wouldn't be up to me.

LTG : )

#2092 1 year ago
Quoted from LTG:

If the owner spent huge money on a rare item. He may or may not want parts of it shared for all to have.
I would hope the owner would. And understand if the owner didn't.
When I had the Pinball Circus machine here in 2006, I could have copied all the ROMs. I didn't. Wasn't my game. I didn't even ask if I could. None of my concern. I would have liked to seen them shared, but that wouldn't be up to me.
LTG : )

Your stance has been noted

#2093 1 year ago

EBD 2 pop bumpers have been rebuilt and wired.

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#2094 1 year ago

Whirlwind spinning disc assemblies are torndown for plating.
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The sample game bracket actually has a rougher cut than the prototype interesting.

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#2095 1 year ago

Back to the warehouse.
New arrivals.

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#2096 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Back to the warehouse.
New arrivals.
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Hmmm looks a little big for beer delivery

#2097 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Back to the warehouse.
New arrivals.
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What are the new arrivals?

#2099 1 year ago

Working on the EBD 2.
Has been a pretty uneventful week so far just tedious teardowns and wiring.
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I am just a few more steps away from finally freeing the harness from the old playfield.
Most parts have been made into sub assemblies
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If I want to make quick and easy visual references to direct me what goes where in terms of wiring I use paints and paint pens
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For example.
Switches
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Lamp sockets
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Coils

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#2100 1 year ago

EBD2 coils are done.
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For the flippers I will be converting to the older style with new assemblies because the originals are beat and welded.
I will need to wire these up and reconfigure the switch stacks.

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