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HEP This Week 1-20-2020


By High_End_Pins

1 year ago



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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 35 votes
    31%
  • Blacked out 54 votes
    48%
  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 24 votes
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#1301 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Second EBD panel is wired for light and tested
These cost about $12 each so that is $60 right there for shields
Then figure just $1.25 for each socket and there are 50 and that is also just roughly $60 so $120
Now it cost $100 to have the panel made so now we are at $220
We had to prime it,sand it ,paint it then spend a full half a day wiring it .
Even on a conservative estimation this is a $400 lamp panel and that is probably not really enough.
I put that real world cost and effort thought out there because I think the things that people don’t see sometimes are undervalued and under appreciated but are some of the toughest to create or deal with.

Am really interested in the finances of this. I am not sure you would want to share, but I’ll ask anyway and not be offended if you don’t respond.

How does this work out for the customer? Do you quote a project ahead of time, then bill a single price, or do you give them a time and materials estimate, then charge them the real amount at the end of the project? It also seems you offer different levels of work based on prior games you have done less involved restorations. I am interested in how that billing works.

#1302 1 year ago
Quoted from Aniraf:

Am really interested in the finances of this. I am not sure you would want to share, but I’ll ask anyway and not be offended if you don’t respond.
How does this work out for the customer? Do you quote a project ahead of time, then bill a single price, or do you give them a time and materials estimate, then charge them the real amount at the end of the project? It also seems you offer different levels of work based on prior games you have done less involved restorations. I am interested in how that billing works.

This has always been a tough question to answer over the years and as conditions continue to go down hill,request get more complex and my own process gets more and more involved it gets even tougher.
Best I can offer is what is on the page here and even that is a few years old.

http://www.highendpins.com/pricing-services/

#1303 1 year ago

I'm glad that you brought up the costs chris. even something like lamp sockets, I;ve always been amazed that you don't see the "true" cost for something until you keep track of everything in a spreadsheet and start adding it up. in fact, I think that's why many people don't. they really don't want to know how much money they've sunk into a restoration project (especially those that are married

I know that I recently spent well over $100 in lamp sockets alone so that when I receive the CPR joust playfield to re-do mine, and that's just the start (on top of the $1000 for the reproduction playfield!

#1304 1 year ago

your work is awesome, learning lots from this thread, thanks for sharing

also stoked to see the light shrouds in a HEP restore, unfortunately the pricing is what it is at Shapeways, though 15% sale this Cyber Monday.

#1305 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

This has always been a tough question to answer over the years and as conditions continue to go down hill,request get more complex and my own process gets more and more involved it gets even tougher.
Best I can offer is what is on the page here and even that is a few years old.
http://www.highendpins.com/pricing-services/

This is great info. I am fascinated by the process! Thanks again for documenting his for us, I love reading it every night.

#1306 1 year ago
Quoted from swinks:

your work is awesome, learning lots from this thread, thanks for sharing
also stoked to see the light shrouds in a HEP restore, unfortunately the pricing is what it is at Shapeways, though 15% sale this Cyber Monday.

Thank you Swinks.

The light shrouds are worth it to me.
Who would want to put these old ones back on the new panel compared to new shapeways?
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#1307 1 year ago

Lamp panel is done for the special EBD we will call it.

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#1308 1 year ago

Head is building

Since I am using the 84 versions wiring I am copying the board layout from that version.

84 version B884DE88-BCF8-4391-AC6B-12B7B56A4D2D (resized).jpeg

My converted 81 version.
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I am installing a ground pin in the head for easier use.
When swapping system 11 andsomr TAF playfields you will run into this style jet bumper nail.
It is perfect to repurpose for head ground Pins. The anti twist is built in but it also has a Phillips head. BCCEB98D-A8BE-49D2-9EF6-F0CD6853F699 (resized).jpeg
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That gets a recess made in the bottom of the head and a nice double strip of braid to land in.
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#1309 1 year ago

Head is built up well enough to place.
I don’t want to make it too heavy right now as a I perfect the fit to the lower. 3ECFF0D9-0A2A-4B0B-8D58-78BDF2B26644 (resized).jpeg

The head is carefully fit.
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My preferred fit on these is a slight overhang in the back when up.
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It isn’t noticeable standing behind it.
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I find it an important detail because it gives better clearance between the rails and lower head trim when folded down.
Without that accounted for either the rails or face and potentially both can be indented when folded up.

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#1310 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Head is built up well enough to place.
I don’t want to make it too heavy right now as a I perfect the fit to the lower. [quoted image]
The hit is carefully fit.
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My preferred fit on these is a slight overhang in the back when up.
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It isn’t noticeable standing behind it.
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I find it an important detail because it gives better clearance between the rails and lower head trim when folded down.
Without that accounted for either the rails or face and potentially both can be indented when folded up.
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I think this post was, for me, the tipping point where your OCD got its own ZIP code.

#1311 1 year ago

Fitting the lamp panel now.
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The testing/fitting backglass is used to check display alignment.
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#1312 1 year ago
Quoted from radium:

I think this post was, for me, the tipping point where your OCD got its own ZIP code.

I have all kinds of quirks and rituals.
The pinball related ones seem more sane than some in the regular daily life.

#1313 1 year ago

Coin door for EBD is prepped 51E25F0B-C0A2-46FB-A416-222D1AC69D57 (resized).jpeg

Then based in the same gold used on the cabinet.

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#1314 1 year ago

EBD door now cleared.

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#1315 1 year ago

looks awesome, man you have some skills

#1316 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I have traced the original path out

Such a good tracer

#1317 1 year ago

Rails are now installed.

By using the exact same paint and clearcoat/matte ratios they just disappeared and I like it
Really puts the cabinet art front and center. image (resized).jpg

You can see how the reflections on the cabinet and rail are essentially identical. That is important.

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#1318 1 year ago

The now gold door frame and bolts are installed.

The same paint and clear ratios were used for the door and parts so nothing will out gloss anything else on the cabinet.

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#1319 1 year ago

That looks spectacular!

#1320 1 year ago

Awesome!!! Easily the best looking 8BD I've ever seen....and it's not even finished yet!!!!

#1321 1 year ago

I love how pins are playable works of art, and ones like this take it to a whole other level. Love the thought and attention to detail on this. Must be so satisfying to have the skills to create something like that.

#1322 1 year ago

Next up for EBD is working on the transformer panel and coin door parts.

I have nickel plated versions of anything I would need but I don’t want too much of that look on this game since it is more black and gold based. No way to avoid it all together but I will as much as possible.
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My preference on this build will be a simple blackened metal.
It is something I can do here in house that will look nice and still maintain conductivity. That is usually lost in powdercoating.

Because of the layout of the transformer plate I need to use the set up from the LE.
I will make sure the LE still has a good useable transformer assembly but obviously this project comes first.
The 84 uses a shorter plate that does not fit the traditional cabinet the same way.
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I have removed the ballast and starter for the LE light and transferred them back into the LE so this is what will be used to power the EBD
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It is torndown along with the coin door parts B485D6E3-4061-49D8-8186-F8A31C687391 (resized).jpeg

#1323 1 year ago

The parts are blasted free of rust and coatings. 2998F891-D054-4CE1-A6A9-404A81FF7ECE (resized).jpeg
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They are then lightly blackened using a black metal etching primer.
This gives it both a nice bond and the correct look I am after. Kind of industrial or military like but clean.
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This also allows me to keep the raw metal underneath the transformer panel so it will easily connect with the braiding in the cabinet.

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#1324 1 year ago

Plate is placed in the cabinet
Then check with a meter to make sure it grounds.

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#1325 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Fitting the lamp panel now.
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The testing/fitting backglass is used to check display alignment.
Looks good. [quoted image]
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Ever notice the used playfield is always next to the final product.

#1326 1 year ago

Starting to wire the cabinet now.
New cord and line filter assembly are made up. EB338F6F-529B-417B-BBEA-62BAF69DE6B7 (resized).jpeg

I want to clean up the wiring so I will make some replacement sub assemblies for what is pictured here.
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I will also make up a new tilt panel.

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#1327 1 year ago

I had no idea how much 300 feet of corrugated tubing was.
Now I know it is A LOT !
Will need none for a long time.

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#1328 1 year ago

What is the diameter on that tubing, Chris?

#1329 1 year ago
Quoted from TG:

What is the diameter on that tubing, Chris?

That is one inch.

#1330 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I had no idea how much 300 feet of corrugated tubing was.
Now I know it is A LOT !
Will need none for a long time.
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Cheaper by the dozen!

#1331 1 year ago

EBD special build continues.

All new Flipper button switches are made up.
These have short protections and caps to reduce arcing. 61217AF7-03C8-478C-9803-D7138FC0F66B (resized).jpeg

A new glass receiver is blacked out in the same manner as the other parts. C0A7D9CD-3551-4F9A-AC01-91F7C6DC5D40 (resized).jpeg
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Transformer needed is cleaned and the associated parts are polished. AEF13ADC-4E13-41CE-90A1-007E36D825C3 (resized).jpeg

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#1332 1 year ago

The power module board has been serviced. 9875E355-1CE8-426F-81B9-D832B7B4B5F9 (resized).jpeg

The transformer panel is now rebuilt.

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#1333 1 year ago

Next up is building the coin door. These are very involved and I will make a new harness for it.
This is just a basic overview of the parts that make it up but it doesn’t include screws,and a few other smaller parts.

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#1334 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

The power module board has been serviced.

J5 burned ?

LTG : )

#1335 1 year ago
Quoted from LTG:

J5 burned ?
LTG : )

Yes.it looks like it was at some point.
The pins are new but housing original.

#1336 1 year ago

Coin door is building up. image (resized).jpg

Wiring is next.

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#1337 1 year ago

Wiring gathered to make the harness.

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#1338 1 year ago

Chris: the clear tubing you use over the lugs, can you provide a name/source for it?? Been looking around for it but haven't stumbled upon it yet....

#1339 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I had no idea how much 300 feet of corrugated tubing was.
Now I know it is A LOT !
Will need none for a long time.
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You literally bought a football field of split loom tubing hahaha

#1340 1 year ago

Woke up to this. It is only starting to build up.
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This is only Mavericks second Christmas and last year he was just a puppy so he is curious. 9613332A-B7AC-4207-BD59-CB6EFFCB2585 (resized).jpeg

#1341 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

This is only Mavericks second Christmas and last year he was just a puppy so he is curious. [quoted image]

Watch it, Chris.

I’m convinced — in my core — that, deep down, all dogs and cats are murderers. I fear for the safety of your Christmas village. I don’t like the look on Maverick’s face there — he’s up to something...

#1342 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Woke up to this. It is only starting to build up.

We've started putting all our stuff out as well. I'll have to take some pics of inside.....

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#1343 1 year ago

Looking good.

#1344 1 year ago

Then walked out to my larger shop and heard a racket outside.
Sounded like birds chirping if birds were made out of metal.

Outdoor unit fan motor is locking up
Have to get to it to see what is wrong
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Yes it is toasty. The bearings are dragging.
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Motor is free still fishing the harness out. 5DBC2857-91B8-403D-8F1B-879D1D4C7767 (resized).jpeg
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Figured out the part number
None in stock anywhere special order
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Cleaned the fan blade and put it on the shelf with the motor. Then put it back together for now until I have the motor in hand. Might be a month55C61B0E-1DB3-4C00-8C9F-5F3CAC9E89BA (resized).jpeg

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#1345 1 year ago
Quoted from Jerol:

Watch it, Chris.
I’m convinced — in my core — that, deep down, all dogs and cats are murderers. I fear for the safety of your Christmas village. I don’t like the look on Maverick’s face there — he’s up to something...

He is always up to something.
That stuff just looks like another toy to him.

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#1346 1 year ago

Back to the EBD.
Door is built and a new harness is made.
I eliminate some of the parts that are no longer needed because on this era game it will simplify things in the event something pops up. It is still wired to accept coins but all slots are the same and the slam tilt is also eliminated from the door itself. 8AD16AD6-AFDA-4AF8-B964-46E63A915FE0 (resized).jpeg

The door isthen installed after a couple revisions to the slots.

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#1347 1 year ago

I cant wait to see the fan unit when you are done... I expect a lot of chrome and some custom mixed color...that thing is really gonna pop....

#1348 1 year ago

the coin door really came out nice. and I like the black anodized lockset with the gold

#1349 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Cleaned the fan blade and put it on the shelf with the motor. Then put it back together for now until I have the motor in hand. Might be a month

Bungee cord a box fan to that sucker.

#1350 1 year ago

Cabinet is now neatly wired.

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