Matthews, NC
Quoted from Jenk540i:I figured that had to be pretty common. Here’s the inside of my STTNG. Oscar[quoted image]
That’s the best one I have seen yet. Right scrap in the right game with the right call out.
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Addams Family, The
Bally, 1992-
Airborne
Capcom, 1996
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Alien (Heighway Pinball)
Heighway Pinball, 2017
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Black Knight
Williams, 1980
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Bram Stoker's Dracula
Williams, 1993
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Centaur
Bally, 1981
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Centigrade 37
Gottlieb, 1977
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Bally, 1998
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TOM(MM) decaled and up on legs. Good alignment.
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Decaled ready to build.
image (resized).jpgFinal repaints on the CC project playfield then cleared for the final time.
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Threw the TOM apron in there too.
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Threw the TOM apron in there too.
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The TOM apron is that a decal or painted directly on it? Looks amazing
Quoted from mmr61184:The TOM apron is that a decal or painted directly on it? Looks amazing
That’s the factory original touched up and cleared.
TZ(JA) lower up on legs.
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Woolgoolga
Quoted from High_End_Pins:That’s the factory original touched up and cleared.
Oh wow, some job you did
Quoted from mmr61184:Oh wow, some job you did
Thanks aprons are a pain. I wish we had more options.
On the decaled version I usually clear those also when I can. Makes them look closer to screened.
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Quoted from High_End_Pins:Final clear on my Gottlieb playfields only job.
Threw the TOM apron in there too.
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Chris, what ya say that the Ice Fever pf comes my way and some Black Tuesday comes your way???
12C17755-FE07-4380-A2E1-2ED7CE5D9C39 (resized).jpegQuoted from High_End_Pins:Thanks.
The wire marking styles are hard to figure out.
When ordering custom made wire they give options.
I use the barber pole option it might be called something else by others.
That is the twirling stripe that most frequently matches the factory wire.
There are also wires mixed within the factory harness at times that have what look like dashes or rings.
I usually see that where they are chaining things together along the course of the playfield pretty much never starting at the origin at the board connectors.
Other places used are sub assemblies
Older SS Bally games sometimes have the dash/ring there.
Why?
That could be to help identify it as a jumper at a glance or be as simple as that’s just what they had on hand at the moment would be my educated guess.
Thanks so much, everyone, for your feedback. I agree that the use of different striped color wire patterns was likely arbitrary in most cases. But I have noticed a pattern in some of my pins: where the same colored striped pattern is used more than once in a game across different harnesses, it seems as though Williams may have tried to differentiate between the 2 wires by using a different stripe pattern. So, for example, if red/white striped wire was used for both a switch and a lamp, then regardless of whether those wires were 18 AWG or 22 AWG, they'd use a different stripe pattern (spiral vs. ring, for example) to help differentiate between the 2 different wires. That way, you'd be to distinguish between the 2 lines when looking in the backbox (assuming you had found the corresponding color & stripe pattern in wire below the playfield).
Now, that may be giving Williams way too much credit, but it is one potential way to justify the rationale for Williams ordering 2 completely different stripe patterns for the same color combo. Certainly it would have been more cost efficient for Williams at the time to simply order a single pattern for any given color combo in larger quantities, so I wonder if there may have been a reason for ordering more than one pattern, at least at the outset. I'm curious if anyone like Chris who has seen so many games can quickly shoot this theory down or confirm that it applies at least in some cases. Thanks again for everyone's feedback!
Quoted from runofkings:Thanks so much, everyone, for your feedback. I agree that the use of different striped color wire patterns was likely arbitrary in most cases. But I have noticed a pattern in some of my pins: where the same colored striped pattern is used more than once in a game across different harnesses, it seems as though Williams may have tried to differentiate between the 2 wires by using a different stripe pattern. So, for example, if red/white striped wire was used for both a switch and a lamp, then regardless of whether those wires were 18 AWG or 22 AWG, they'd use a different stripe pattern (spiral vs. ring, for example) to help differentiate between the 2 different wires. That way, you'd be to distinguish between the 2 lines when looking in the backbox (assuming you had found the corresponding color & stripe pattern in wire below the playfield).
Now, that may be giving Williams way too much credit, but it is one potential way to justify the rationale for Williams ordering 2 completely different stripe patterns for the same color combo. Certainly it would have been more cost efficient for Williams at the time to simply order a single pattern for any given color combo in larger quantities, so I wonder if there may have been a reason for ordering more than one pattern, at least at the outset. I'm curious if anyone like Chris who has seen so many games can quickly shoot this theory down or confirm that it applies at least in some cases. Thanks again for everyone's feedback!
I actually think it is totally random. There may be some instances it is done by design but just looking at this TOM harness gives me the “whatever we have “ impression above all else.
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You are giving the factory too much credit.
- These wire harnesses are separate entities. There is a lamp harness, switch harness and power harness. In later machines, there is an opto harness. They are cable tied together but are separate entities. Sometimes, the separate harnesses are cable tied together. It is likely these harnesses were built by separate assembly lines rather than one assembly line building each harness. Reason: 20,000 TAF machines in one year (365 days) = average 54 machines per day. You would need multiple assembly lines to achieve this.
- If what you propose is true, it would be hard for these line assembly workers to consistently maintain the required standard. How would each assembly line know what the other assembly line is using so they can be consistent and not use the "stripe" or "spiral"?
- How would quality assurance know what is correct and again be consistent about it?
The above seems like a logistical nightmare.
Quoted from runofkings:so I wonder if there may have been a reason for ordering more than one pattern, at least at the outset.
They likely ordered a certain quantity. Maybe, they hit the limit of what one supplier could manufacture and had to order from multiple suppliers. Each supplier has their own equipment and does their own thing. The most important thing was to have the wire available because no wire = no machine. No machine = no deliveries.
Quoted from High_End_Pins:I actually think it is totally random.
100% agree. The trace color method also differs between the gauge of the wire. 22AWG RED-BLK is not the same as 18AWG RED-BLK. Note that sometimes, the wire colors overlap but can be differentiated by the gauge.
- 22AWG RED-BLK is the lamp matrix row 2.
- 18AWG RED-BLK is the solenoid voltage for one group of (usually) 8 solenoids (usually 9-16).
Not all RED-BLK wires are the same in their usage in the machine.
Quoted from DumbAss:100% agree. The trace color method also differs between the gauge of the wire. 22AWG RED-BLK is not the same as 18AWG RED-BLK. Note that sometimes, the wire colors overlap but can be differentiated by the gauge.
22AWG RED-BLK is the lamp matrix row 2.
18AWG RED-BLK is the solenoid voltage for one group of (usually) 8 solenoids (usually 9-16).Not all RED-BLK wires are the same in their usage in the machine.
I settled on a consistent barber pole stripe image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpg
I also try to avoid overlap in inventory due to gauge only so if for instance I really need a 18 gauge red/green for a solenoid I will use a red 18gauge with a 20 gauge red/green since the need is much more frequent for that color in the lamp matrix than the solenoid.
This allows me to have everything that is truly common and wire color correct at the source but avoid the space and expense of rare but occasional needs.
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I also try to avoid overlap in inventory due to gauge only so if for instance I really need a 18 gauge red/green for a solenoid I will use a red 18gauge with a 20 gauge red/green since the need is much more frequent for that color in the lamp matrix than the solenoid.
This allows me to have everything that is truly common and wire color correct at the source but avoid the space and expense of rare but occasional needs.
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I can't thank you guys enough for your feedback. It's clear that we care a lot about attention to pinball restoration details, which is why it's so fun to bounce ideas off one another.
High_End_Pins - you make a great point, and the coloring of the wires is consistent with those in my TOM as well. In fact, it seems to me as though the "ring" striped wires tend to be the most inconsistent in terms of color pattern and durability overall as compared to the "barber pole" variety that you've settled on... all of which is to say you made a good choice!
DumbAss - you're completely correct. All good points. And, to add even more support the points you made, if Williams meant to use striped patterns to distinguish between different wires, why didn't they include any distinguishing notations in manuals or schematics? Williams was famous for creating and documenting separate part numbers for every part in every machine down to the smallest rubber grommet... had they intended to distinguish between wires based on pattern, Williams would have been the first to send out a lengthy bulletin announcing as much.
Thanks again, guys! I consider you both to be some of the biggest and most-talented fish in our small pond 
Just about done with TOM
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Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Game is beautiful, but the melted Crayon ColorDMD mode? Surely, I can't be the only one who thinks that looks atrocious.
Yeah. I like the dots better too but haven’t switched it over. It’s a LCD display in default.
You like that runny crayon description, and I see what you mean, although I don't hate it as much lol
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Game is beautiful, but the melted Crayon ColorDMD mode? Surely, I can't be the only one who thinks that looks atrocious.
Quoted from Elicash:I’m about 50/50 on cabinet art blades but that TOM theater curtain vibe looks great.
I agree. I only like them if they work as a total package.
These actually do.
What I mean by that is they blend well with the playfield art and the cabinet art.
Most are one the other or neither but these are good on both mostly because of the shading in the Theatre lettering down the side combined with the speaker panel plastic.
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Good grief!!
Quoted from Elicash:I’m about 50/50 on cabinet art blades but that TOM theater curtain vibe looks great.
They would have been perfect if they didn’t have the stars and moon. I don’t see that on the speaker panel. That’s just me though.
CC cabinet coming together.
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That is beautiful. Very nice job!
Quoted from jrcmlc:You like that runny crayon description, and I see what you mean, although I don't hate it as much lol
Seriously, it takes me back to a fond Kindergarten memory when my teacher would melt crayons and then we would use brushes to color on paper with the wax. I just can't get it out of me head even though it was an event from nearly 50 years ago.
Lol
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Seriously, it takes me back to a fond Kindergarten memory when my teacher would melt crayons and then we would use brushes to color on paper with the wax. I just can't get it out of me head even though it was an event from nearly 50 years ago.
Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:Seriously, it takes me back to a fond Kindergarten memory when my teacher would melt crayons and then we would use brushes to color on paper with the wax. I just can't get it out of me head even though it was an event from nearly 50 years ago.
Sounds fun. We never did that project in school. Sounds like a good project with my grandkids!
That's what every Stern since Elvira looks like. I'd like a Godzilla, but the art is just too ugly and doesn't fit the theme of the game in any way.
If they'd based the art on the cab and the playfield to fit in with the tone of the callouts and animations....
Should have been 60-70's sci fi in black and white. Not melted crayons.
Paint mixing machine is finally in place. I lacked floor space previously but after the remodel have room for a small unit.
This was an ordeal but ultimately the pinball community here made it happen.
I bought one online. It came in smashed. 1F10D798-A203-4098-A6C3-35962CC0A1AD (resized).jpeg
The place I bought it from did not have another.
Found a perfect one on EBay cheaper. F2F54370-D1C9-4E6B-9F1C-D3CCA5E4E979 (resized).png
Reached out to dmacy to see if he could secure and house it for me until I figured out how to get it down here to NC
He gladly helped. Can’t thank him enough.
Showed up last night.
Unpacked it this morning. 2F743C0B-DA9D-42F9-B684-A3260A5CD737 (resized).jpeg
Had two wires and neither marked. 6EA65203-2CC2-4814-A405-A62B61C92895 (resized).jpeg
I can wire pretty much anything but don’t always know exact what I am dealing with.
Texted Bryan_Kelly for some solid guidance from a real electrician and found out everything I needed to know.
A quick trip to Home Depot and I am up and running.
Thanks for the help guys.
image (resized).jpgCC cabinet is built up and ready for a playfield.
image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgCC playfield sanded and polished ready to assemble.
image (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpgCC playfield pre assembly and wired. Very basic rebuild on this one. It already went farther than the planned cabinet repair and shop out.
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Quoted from radium:Wow that playfield cleaned up really nice. How do you get this wood-colored paint that you hide damage with? I've tried a few things but it never looks as good as yours.
It’s pretty hard to put into words honestly.
I mix a base tan we will call it that matches the ungrained part of the bare wood.
I use that to cover the darkest wear and repairs in a very concentrated manner.
I then cut that down with a clear base maker and reducer.
This renders the paint close to useless in terms of coverage but has enough of a pigment left in it to blend everything together without covering the natural grain.
That stated there is a lot of technique to it as well.
Quoted from jrcmlc:Looks awesome. I guess it never occurred to me there you offered other options besides full resto. If someone wanted just a full populated playfield, or just a cabinet, do you do that?
Not really. Sometimes you will see something like that pop up on here as a favor or for a local but other than that I try not to clutter my inventory up with partial jobs.
I wish I could take on some of that easier lower responsibility work but it would be too much of a distraction.
Quoted from High_End_Pins:Not really. Sometimes you will see something like that pop up on here as a favor or for a local but other than that I try not to clutter my inventory up with partial jobs.
I wish I could take on some of that easier lower responsibility work but it would be too much of a distraction.
Sounds like you need an apprentice.
Bags not.Playfield is in the CC
Took a little thought process to convert the remake ramps to the original game. That was kind of fun.
Big thanks to Aaron and Jim for their help in getting them for me.
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