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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 35 votes
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  • Blacked out 54 votes
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  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 24 votes
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#11301 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

I guess the original designers were only thinking about getting something built that would work for a few years, make some money, then be trashed. They probably never would have thought that decades later people would be putting these in their homes, playing them, and keeping them going by servicing as needed. So they just soldered everything together and didn't worry about building modularity into it for easy servicing.
Like the old EMs, every time I need to work on a score reel I daydream about how nice it would be to be able to unplug it from the harness and pull it out and work on it on the bench. It would be so nice and easy to do a good rebuild. The problem is, if you go to all the trouble to cut the wires and add a connector so you could do that, then after you get it nicely rebuilt the damn thing would probably work perfectly for 40 more years. The mechanical design is pretty robust for most of those assemblies. So its not worth the work to connector-ize it. Sure would be nice though. I always enjoy seeing the wiring and the Molex connectors in these HEP builds.

The main premise of why I do things the way I do is customer support. If someone has an issue pop up you want to make it as easy as possible for them to be able to resolve it themselves with your guidance.
Now some people are just bulls in a China shop and by the time they are done they have made a minor issue a major one but if you at least give them the ability to isolate or remove something from the game itself it lessens the chances of that for the good of the game and work that’s been done to it.

#11302 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

I guess the original designers were only thinking about getting something built that would work for a few years, make some money, then be trashed. They probably never would have thought that decades later people would be putting these in their homes, playing them, and keeping them going by servicing as needed. So they just soldered everything together and didn't worry about building modularity into it for easy servicing.
Like the old EMs, every time I need to work on a score reel I daydream about how nice it would be to be able to unplug it from the harness and pull it out and work on it on the bench. It would be so nice and easy to do a good rebuild. The problem is, if you go to all the trouble to cut the wires and add a connector so you could do that, then after you get it nicely rebuilt the damn thing would probably work perfectly for 40 more years. The mechanical design is pretty robust for most of those assemblies. So its not worth the work to connector-ize it. Sure would be nice though. I always enjoy seeing the wiring and the Molex connectors in these HEP builds.

In the end it to a manufacturer it is always about making things as cheaply as possible - NOT about making things easier to service. Chris goes "the extra mile" and puts $50 to $100 worth of connectors into each machine to make things "better than new". This is a huge improvement over the factory design HOWEVER some "purest" would argue you are doing something that should not be done. A HEP machine isn't a "restored original" a HEP machine is a machine taken to a level way beyond the original and is an art form not a restoration. What always amazes me when looking at what Chris does is how he has thought out each step of the process and has improved machines well beyond what they originally were. It just doesn't get any better than a HEP pinball machine - I just wish I had the extra cash to be able to own one!

#11303 1 year ago

Back to work for me.
Between home repairs and the holiday I am actually glad to be getting back to business as usual.
Kiss playfield is wired and ready to install.

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#11304 1 year ago

Did that.

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#11305 1 year ago

Just wanted to let you know I spent some time over the weekend watching some of the Youtube videos. These are great, just like everything in this thread, except seeing it all in actual action is just amazing. So much to see and learn.

I saw your note that said you would only leave videos up for a few weeks, then take them off. Are you still going to do that? If so, I'm going to download some of those It doesn't cost anything to leave videos on there. All the work is in getting the videos made and posted, and once they are on Youtube they just sit and hopefully collect views.

I see that you are at 923 subscribers so it is close to the magic number of 1000 that in theory would get you paid. Of course with just under 30,000 views in total so far, the pay is going to be minimal if anything at all. This is the sad reality of what people will watch on Youtube. Worthless scum like the kardashians make millions but truly interesting and useful content gets nothing. There just isn't enough of an audience for restoring pinball machines to generate enough views to make you some money.

It sucks, because it takes a nontrivial amount of work to create, edit, and upload the videos. Then you get nothing for it. I have one video with over 8,000 views and when I check it out I see video ads running on it, and I get nothing because I don't have the subscribers. So the question is, is it worth the time and effort to do it at all?

#11306 1 year ago

I am now able to get back to work on the Airborne.
Before I strip a cabinet I generally check my art for it.
When I did that I found an issue. The images were not flipped correctly side to side and the purple was a little light. 6B214E37-006A-4BA1-840E-648836886DE5 (resized).jpeg6B214E37-006A-4BA1-840E-648836886DE5 (resized).jpegF41B6B21-9461-48AC-9265-6AA9849617AD (resized).jpegF41B6B21-9461-48AC-9265-6AA9849617AD (resized).jpeg

This was ultimately corrected so I can strip the cabinet. CF2CEA27-0BCC-4CF7-9532-E4EA19EB44E6 (resized).jpegCF2CEA27-0BCC-4CF7-9532-E4EA19EB44E6 (resized).jpeg
I will need to replace the side rails. I have appropriate replacements but not identical.
As a result I will need to fill six holes on the interior and six on the exterior.
The interiors are large so I cut dowels for those. C83C2E50-3D51-40E8-9437-1A4C24314341 (resized).jpegC83C2E50-3D51-40E8-9437-1A4C24314341 (resized).jpeg

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Glued those in. 08A4BA8E-441C-4CDC-8541-1A9C305E9890 (resized).jpeg08A4BA8E-441C-4CDC-8541-1A9C305E9890 (resized).jpeg
Started working the initial repairs with fiberglass and got the floor as clean as possible.

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#11307 1 year ago
Quoted from xsvtoys:

Just wanted to let you know I spent some time over the weekend watching some of the Youtube videos. These are great, just like everything in this thread, except seeing it all in actual action is just amazing. So much to see and learn.
I saw your note that said you would only leave videos up for a few weeks, then take them off. Are you still going to do that? If so, I'm going to download some of those It doesn't cost anything to leave videos on there. All the work is in getting the videos made and posted, and once they are on Youtube they just sit and hopefully collect views.
I see that you are at 923 subscribers so it is close to the magic number of 1000 that in theory would get you paid. Of course with just under 30,000 views in total so far, the pay is going to be minimal if anything at all. This is the sad reality of what people will watch on Youtube. Worthless scum like the kardashians make millions but truly interesting and useful content gets nothing. There just isn't enough of an audience for restoring pinball machines to generate enough views to make you some money.
It sucks, because it takes a nontrivial amount of work to create, edit, and upload the videos. Then you get nothing for it. I have one video with over 8,000 views and when I check it out I see video ads running on it, and I get nothing because I don't have the subscribers. So the question is, is it worth the time and effort to do it at all?

Yeah. It seems like more trouble than it’s worth for the most part.
I could grow it easily by adding other elements that appeal to other people and hobbies like motorcycle restorations,paint work in general etc but I don’t really do them for view counts or anything.
Mostly just to inform or give a little more personal interaction.
It seems like most people want short videos,higher production value,drama or that type of thing.

#11308 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I am now able to get back to work on the Airborne.
Before I strip a cabinet I generally check my art for it.
When I did that I found an issue. The images were not flipped correctly side to side and the purple was a little light. [quoted image][quoted image]
This was ultimately corrected so I can strip the cabinet. [quoted image]
I will need to replace the side rails. I have appropriate replacements but not identical.
As a result I will need to fill six holes on the interior and six on the exterior.
The interiors are large so I cut dowels for those. [quoted image]
[quoted image]
Glued those in. [quoted image]
Started working the initial repairs with fiberglass and got the floor as clean as possible.
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Hey Chris. What grit paper do you use to clean up the floor of the cab?

#11309 1 year ago
Quoted from jazc4:

Hey Chris. What grit paper do you use to clean up the floor of the cab?

Usually 180 unless it is really badly stained.

#11310 1 year ago

Made pretty good progress on the Airborne. That’s enough for that one today. The cabinet is made with some pretty crappy wood but it’s too unique to go the new cabinet route on since it’s a one time need.

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#11311 1 year ago

Sanded and polished the IJ AY playfield and I am going to decal the cabinet next.

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#11312 1 year ago

IJ AY is decaled

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#11313 1 year ago

Kiss Alive!

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#11314 1 year ago

Had that album when i was a kid.

#11315 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

IJ AY is decaled
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Those cabinet corners - !!! Shame to cover them with legs.

#11316 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Kiss Alive!
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I see what you did there!

#11317 1 year ago

Looks like you got right to it!

#11318 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Made pretty good progress on the Airborne. That’s enough for that one today. The cabinet is made with some pretty crappy wood but it’s too unique to go the new cabinet route on since it’s a one time need.
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Seems the Capcom is creating headaches.
Nothing HEP can’t conquer though!
Hopefully AB lessons will help with the PM.

#11319 1 year ago

Recleared the Airborne playfield once more. Should be good from there.

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#11320 1 year ago

Pulled the black powder trim for IJ AY.
Was disappointed with the final finish on that as usual and then prepped painted and cleared that for a nicer look.

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#11321 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Recleared the Airborne playfield once more. Should be good from there.
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Always enjoyable to watch you work on something different!

#11322 1 year ago

I had an Airborne and am drooling at what you're doing with this one.

What's as impressive as your work is the time you take to document it. It is appreciated (and admired).

Chris

#11323 1 year ago

Chris this is my favorite thread on Pinside. Thank you for taking the time to show pics of everything you do and work on. I really enjoy it and learn a lot the way.

#11324 1 year ago

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#11325 1 year ago

Whitewater and Airborne cabinets are ready to prime. 26EB7118-D14B-4283-8057-523672A3530F (resized).jpeg26EB7118-D14B-4283-8057-523672A3530F (resized).jpeg284FA043-693E-4C0F-A259-4BA63C3C0DEA (resized).jpeg284FA043-693E-4C0F-A259-4BA63C3C0DEA (resized).jpeg
Primed and guidecoated

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#11326 1 year ago

Are there absolutely no standards anymore?
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I am going to use these for two reasons.
1)I need them
2) They match the playfield.
Its not that they look bad it’s that they just don’t even look like someone tried.

#11327 1 year ago

Pinball Center ones look better, at least on the website pic. But the skin tone still looks off...

https://www.pinball.center/en/shop/pinball-parts/playfield-parts/plastics/8998/plastic-set-for-kiss

#11328 1 year ago
Quoted from jaytrem:

Pinball Center ones look better, at least on the website pic. But the skin tone still looks off...
https://www.pinball.center/en/shop/pinball-parts/playfield-parts/plastics/8998/plastic-set-for-kiss

Goodluck on getting anything out of pinball center. They do not ship to the US anymore. Zitt was getting parts for a while through a 3rd party, but after the last shenanigans, lost shipment, and many months of delay. He is calling it quits with them as well.

#11329 1 year ago
Quoted from Tophervette:

Goodluck on getting anything out of pinball center. They do not ship to the US anymore. Zitt was getting parts for a while through a 3rd party, but after the last shenanigans, lost shipment, and many months of delay. He is calling it quits with them as well.

Yeah, I saw he's done for now. The few times I ordered from them I had them ship to a friend in Canada.

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#11330 1 year ago

IJ AY is coming together.

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#11331 1 year ago

Kiss is just about ready for final pictures.
The plastic set actually worked out very well with the playfield.

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#11332 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Kiss is just about ready for final pictures.
The plastic set actually worked out very well with the playfield.
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Does that mean the playfield is faded or done in the wrong colors, at least?

#11333 1 year ago
Quoted from RC_like_the_cola:

Does that mean the playfield is faded or done in the wrong colors, at least?

Not positive on this since the playfield previously in the game was an overlay but the orange CPR used is not quite as vivid as that.
It’s not that it looks bad or wrong as a total package but it’s got less pop to it in comparison.

#11334 1 year ago

Kiss is all set. Will try to get it outside for pictures Looks great. 9554608C-18FC-4D77-85FD-D1CBCBBFA3FF (resized).jpeg9554608C-18FC-4D77-85FD-D1CBCBBFA3FF (resized).jpegimage (resized).jpgimage (resized).jpg

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Also it just doesn’t look as nice as the original backglass at a glance.

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Just an honest evaluation wish it were not the case.They do many things well but this one just comes up short and it was my first experience with Kiss parts from them. If you really needed one it would be ok but not an upgrade to my eye. The bubbling is the most troubling part it was stored as delivered in my bedroom closet at 68 degrees and less than 50% humidity. I am obsessed with my sleeping comfort

#11335 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Just an honest evaluation wish it were not the case.They do many things well but this one just comes up short and it was my first experience with Kiss parts from them. If you really needed one it would be ok but not an upgrade to my eye. The bubbling is the most troubling part it was stored as delivered in my bedroom closet at 68 degrees and less than 50% humidity. I am obsessed with my sleeping comfort

Don't tell me....you contacted them and they said it was your fault because of the way it was stored.

#11336 1 year ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

Don't tell me....you contacted them and they said it was your fault because of the way it was stored.

I haven’t heard back from them yet but you know the drill there.

#11337 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Kiss is all set. Will try to get it outside for pictures Looks great. [quoted image][quoted image]
I had to reject the CPR backglass it’s bubbling [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Also it just doesn’t look as nice as the original backglass at a glance.
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Original [quoted image]
Just an honest evaluation wish it were not the case.They do many things well but this one just comes up short and it was my first experience with Kiss parts from them. If you really needed one it would be ok but not an upgrade to my eye. The bubbling is the most troubling part it was stored as delivered in my bedroom closet at 68 degrees and less than 50% humidity. I am obsessed with my sleeping comfort

I've never bought a CPR remake...only the mirrored backglass replacements. I was really disappointed in my Whirlwind backglass. I've bought 10 of their mirrored backglasses. The colors on Whirlwind was "washed out", similar to your Kiss backglass.

#11338 1 year ago
Quoted from indypinhead:

I've never bought a CPR remake...only the mirrored backglass replacements. I was really disappointed in my Whirlwind backglass. I've bought 10 of their mirrored backglasses. The colors on Whirlwind was "washed out", similar to your Kiss backglass.

i never use their Barracora, once i received it and put it near the original the different was too much-

#11339 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Are there absolutely no standards anymore?
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I am going to use these for two reasons.
1)I need them
2) They match the playfield.
Its not that they look bad it’s that they just don’t even look like someone tried.

Looks like a lot of autotrace. The thicker black lines and loss of detail are a dead giveaway.

#11340 1 year ago
Quoted from indypinhead:

I've never bought a CPR remake...only the mirrored backglass replacements. I was really disappointed in my Whirlwind backglass. I've bought 10 of their mirrored backglasses. The colors on Whirlwind was "washed out", similar to your Kiss backglass.

Some are kind of cloudy looking too regardless of color It reminds me of this
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Above all else though the bubbling and easy scratch problems concern me much more. It’s bad when the forty year old backglass has held up better than the forty day old one.

#11341 1 year ago

ES BP cabinet is based in blue.
This one will be a little different than the last three.
I am going to mix proto and production colors with production art and maybe a touch of creativity.

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#11342 1 year ago

WH2O PW cabinet is based and cleared.

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#11343 1 year ago

You must be great at multitasking! How many restorations and in various states at any one time?

#11344 1 year ago
Quoted from ToucanF16:

You must be great at multitasking! How many restorations and in various states at any one time?

It’s just me so I can only truly do one thing at a time but I am pretty strategic about how I approach those things.
Usually I have four or five going at a time.
As I am closing out one thing I am starting another and chipping away at whatever is in the middle.

#11345 1 year ago

Another marathon paint job in the works.

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#11346 1 year ago

Took up until right now.
ES BP based.

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#11347 1 year ago

Cleared for the first time. Full gloss for now as usual.

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#11348 1 year ago

Airborne cabinet is prepped and painted.

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#11349 1 year ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Cleared for the first time. Full gloss for now as usual.
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Pretty sure I've never played Earthshaker, but I'm now obsessed with it since seeing a handful of them come through this thread...

#11350 1 year ago
Quoted from HooperTriplett:

Pretty sure I've never played Earthshaker, but I'm now obsessed with it since seeing a handful of them come through this thread...

I was the same with the blacked out Judge Dredd, never played it but wanted one.

So i bought a faded one in good nick and got a mate to do the decals etc for me.

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Thanks for the inspiration Chris. I just happen to love the game too, and will take it to Pinfest Newcastle in Sept to show it off.

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