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Quoted from snakesnsparklers:
Have you ever had customers request 100% gloss? I feel like you'd advise against that but some people are stubborn and I wonder what that would look like.

Yes. I do advise against it though.
It’s funny because full gloss is the easiest finish in the world and if there are errors it’s easy to correct so when advising against it I am actually making more work for myself.
It isn’t that it looks bad on a cabinet as much as it just looks too unnatural. Even fine furniture is rarely finished to a high gloss.

A matte finish at any gloss level is a one shot deal. You cannot sand nor polish it so it’s more craft oriented.
Anyone can just spray clear and then sand and polish to correct mistakes especially with practice.
We refer to them as sprayers. Lots of sprayers these days few actually painters unfortunately.

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Rough day at the factory I suppose.

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Rudy’s turn.

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The loom holders are unique. Strange observation but I see a lot of these.
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It’s pretty rough in terms of moisture and corrosion.

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
Lots of sprayers these days few actually painters unfortunately.

Both of these are "painters" IMO, but when you talk about these things I'm reminded of two painters I can't get enough of on TV:

- Will from Graveyard Cars | Obviously a skill to what he does and the finish he delivers on MOPAR restorations are superb (they have to be given the level of restorations they do)
- Ryan from Count's Kustoms | The imagination and execution of the paint jobs this guy does on such a large scale awe me. I would love to see some of his work in person.

Not sure why I even watch these shows as I'm not a MOPAR guy, I'll never be a customer of either, and I'm certainly not a painter on any level approaching what professionals like these and Chris are, but I just appreciate their skill, art, and commitment to excellence (similar reasons to why I follow the HEP thread).

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
I use a matting agent. It’s a milky looking paste like substance that you add to the clearcoat.
These are brand specific to paint lines and only compatible with certain products so there isn’t really a go to or recommendation I could make.
The more you add the flatter or lower the gloss.
50/50 is pretty much the starting point for a low gloss with a nice sheen.
I typically go 60/40 to 70/30 for most pinball cabinets with the higher number being the gloss lower the matte agent.
The alternate Tommy was done in 80/20 as was the MX frame so while they do look almost full gloss they are actually not quite.
How many coats and how heavy will also play a factor there is an absolute art to it just as much as when you are spraying colors.

Most guys who follow this thread have no idea just how hard some of the painting techniques Chris uses actually are. Unless you have sprayed pearl, metallic (with a clear or semi clear base), iridescent, or other specialized paints you can't begin to imagine how hard it is to get a perfect paint job. I have never used a matte agent but I have worked with just about anything else you can think of when it comes to paint over the years and I can tell you from experience the level of Chris's work is in the top 1/10 of a percent of painters you will find. And that by itself is pretty impressive. But when you realize the paint work is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the stuff Chris does on these machines his talent is second to none.

As I have said in other post I am just totally amazed at the varied talents Chris has but what is even more amazing is he is willing to share so much with everyone here while still trying to keep the bills paid. Chris again I have to say you are one in a million. And I can't thank you enough for all your post here on Pinside.

And anyone who thinks they know how to paint if you really want to test you abilities try painting a tube bike frame without messing something up! The only thing I ever found any harder was doing dash paint work on the old metal dashboards on some of the street rods I built years ago. (Not the dashboards you could pull out and paint but the ones you had to paint with them in the car while standing on your head!)

Keep it coming Chris! Looking at your post is one of my favorite parts on my day.

Quoted from too-many-pins:
Most guys who follow this thread have no idea just how hard some of the painting techniques Chris uses actually are. Unless you have sprayed pearl, metallic (with a clear or semi clear base), iridescent, or other specialized paints you can't begin to imagine how hard it is to get a perfect paint job. I have never used a matte agent but I have worked with just about anything else you can think of when it comes to paint over the years and I can tell you from experience the level of Chris's work is in the top 1/10 of a percent of painters you will find. And that by itself is pretty impressive. But when you realize the paint work is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the stuff Chris does on these machines his talent is second to none.
As I have said in other post I am just totally amazed at the varied talents Chris has but what is even more amazing is he is willing to share so much with everyone here while still trying to keep the bills paid. Chris again I have to say you are one in a million. And I can't thank you enough for all your post here on Pinside.
And anyone who thinks they know how to paint if you really want to test you abilities try painting a tube bike frame without messing something up! The only thing I ever found any harder was doing dash paint work on the old metal dashboards on some of the street rods I built years ago. (Not the dashboards you could pull out and paint but the ones you had to paint with them in the car while standing on your head!)
Keep it coming Chris! Looking at your post is one of my favorite parts on my day.

Thank you Skip. I really am humbled.
The things I share here are just a reality of what I am up to or thinking about on a daily basis.
For the last twenty years I have never been hesitant to show or explain anything I do. It has no doubt enabled many.
There is something I selfishly already know about the most important aspects of it.
That is that no matter how much I show or explain it’s not easy to do and much harder to perfect. That comes with a combination of natural ability and years of experience across many different trades combined with applying all that just to pinball repetitively. Many attempt and even provide a version of it but it always a lesser version for that reason. The most important piece of equipment in the shop is me. That’s what makes this exclusive I am not saying that to be arrogant or a puke it’s just an honest evaluation and it doesn’t mean anything more or less than that.
I have truly been turning wrenches since I was four and spraying paint since I was probably six.
My dad would take me to work set me in his stall on a creeper and give me a bumper to take apart. I would wander around the shop play with the welding rods,wrestle with the chains on the frame machine and probably get on the guys in the paint shops nerves when they were trying to work.
I gave up the lifestyle of a high end painter on commission almost 20 years ago because no matter how lucrative it was it always seemed fragile and not within my control.
When people wonder why I choose to do this instead its because of that. It’s more reasonably within my control. As much as anything can be.
A huge plus above and beyond all else is that it has been a source of pleasure and entertainment for others. I feel often as though I am creating things that will endure long after I am gone even if it’s just a pinball machine.

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He is rough.
Driver is seriously reworked as is the CPU.
The owners of these prototypes often drill you “Keep it as original as possible!”
The problem is they aren’t giving you much to work with. Not for high end build or to make a reliable game out of.

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Playfield is out. Wear and a full Mylar. One that looks to have been cut right on the playfield in spots.

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Mylar is off. I think to myself of the Rudy line
Oh boy oh boy oh boy!
This is about as clean as it gets more rubbing only leads to more paint loss.
I will try to finish prepping it today and at least get a bit of clear on it to stabilize everything.

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Had 10 cabinets come in last night.
Going to start on the Diner and the Kiss.

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Likely covered somewhere in these 216 pages, but licensed cabs?

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Quoted from Atari_Daze:
Likely covered somewhere in these 216 pages, but licensed cabs?[quoted image]

Yeah means there is an added fee for the poor guy making them.
I have been using this source along with a couple others for about three years now.
In 2017 my in house cabinet guy retired. He is like 70 and was a master at it but terribly slow and expensive. It was a big reason for backlog back then.
The current builder is quick,friendly,accountable and has all the Williams plans but they are often inaccurate and need tweaking. Usually discovered at the worst times but I think we have worked through most of that.

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
Gutted Rudy. [quoted image]
He is rough.
Driver is seriously reworked as is the CPU.
The owners of these prototypes often drill you “Keep it as original as possible!”
The problem is they aren’t giving you much to work with. Not for high end build or to make a reliable game out of. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Too bad for you the boards are out of warranty. At least they made it past the day after the warranty expired unlike most things I buy.

chris
are you aware that you have a ghost following you around and checking out your work?
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Quoted from j_m_:
chris
are you aware that you have a ghost following you around and checking out your work?
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Hopefully he’s learning something and will start helping.

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
Hopefully he’s learning something and will start helping.

Could be a she-ghost. Instead of helping out, it will start "correcting" your work - hah!

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:
Could be a she-ghost. Instead of helping out, it will start "correcting" your work - hah!

That would be a parrot, sit on your shoulder and squawk in your ear while crapping down your back.

Went out in the prep area to work on cabinets but got sidetracked with playfields.
Had this CPR TOTAN playfield a friend sold me pretty cheap it had some damage from underneath one roll over insert. AD08A036-6666-43ED-846D-5C441618AC56 (resized).jpeg
I fixed that easily enough but then discovered a small void in the shooter lane. B6D1CB58-16ED-47D8-8C9F-C09A9DEB96D4 (resized).jpeg
I epoxied a small dowel in there and sanded it flush. 83060EA3-7AF4-42DD-8238-6A31E7CC3655 (resized).jpeg
The shooter lane wasn’t too pretty to start with I airbrushed just enough wood tone to camouflage it all. It’s a funny shape and cuts to the right so just want to keep it minimal. No point in overdoing It. C4A9622E-6AC5-4626-B775-CC941E4DF714 (resized).jpeg

Cleared that. Looks respectable now at least.

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Dude, those Funhouse boards are easy to keep original. Just make the owner buy NEW boards to *use* and chuck those in a static bag in the bottom after you're done. Lol.

That's what *I* would have you do now days, anyway.

--Donnie

Still have a few playfield only jobs left.
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Cleared.

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One more round for BBBB. I have been just working on leveling it out within reason but could have turned it into a much bigger project. Just not warranted on this one.

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Then there was this

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And finally the first coat on the FH prototype. I have a feeling this one will drag out. Every time I look at it I see more problems. 4C72B22D-509F-464D-A9E0-A532C4B77A70 (resized).jpeg

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Quoted from djb_rh:
Dude, those Funhouse boards are easy to keep original. Just make the owner buy NEW boards to *use* and chuck those in a static bag in the bottom after you're done. Lol.
That's what *I* would have you do now days, anyway.
--Donnie

That’s a great idea. Would love to do the same with the playfield!

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
Thank you Skip. I really am humbled.
The things I share here are just a reality of what I am up to or thinking about on a daily basis.
For the last twenty years I have never been hesitant to show or explain anything I do. It has no doubt enabled many.
There is something I selfishly already know about the most important aspects of it.
That is that no matter how much I show or explain it’s not easy to do and much harder to perfect. That comes with a combination of natural ability and years of experience across many different trades combined with applying all that just to pinball repetitively. Many attempt and even provide a version of it but it always a lesser version for that reason. The most important piece of equipment in the shop is me. That’s what makes this exclusive I am not saying that to be arrogant or a puke it’s just an honest evaluation and it doesn’t mean anything more or less than that.
I have truly been turning wrenches since I was four and spraying paint since I was probably six.
My dad would take me to work set me in his stall on a creeper and give me a bumper to take apart. I would wander around the shop play with the welding rods,wrestle with the chains on the frame machine and probably get on the guys in the paint shops nerves when they were trying to work.
I gave up the lifestyle of a high end painter on commission almost 20 years ago because no matter how lucrative it was it always seemed fragile and not within my control.
When people wonder why I choose to do this instead its because of that. It’s more reasonably within my control. As much as anything can be.
A huge plus above and beyond all else is that it has been a source of pleasure and entertainment for others. I feel often as though I am creating things that will endure long after I am gone even if it’s just a pinball machine.

Chris,

It is so interesting to me how much we have in common. My dad was the head mechanic at the third largest Mopar dealership in the US when I was a kid and he also had his own shop on the side. From the time I could walk I basically lived in the garage with my dad at night. When I was too young to work on cars he had me cleaning parts for him and sorting out "junk hardware" and other stuff he would salvage from his day job. I was driving by the time I was eight and by the time I was ten I could back a trailer pretty much anywhere you need to put one, (That was one of the perks of living on a farm). By the time I was in middle school I could tear down small engines and rebuild them and I was building mini bikes and go carts from junk my grandfather had laying around his farm.

Then when I was thirteen my dad and I started a small business together buying wrecked cars and rebuilding them. I quickly had to learn how to paint with an old Binks Model 7 spray gun he had (and I still have that old gun today). After college I opened my own shop but after about 10 years of doing that I had enough and changed directions. (I was burned out on the repair business by the time I was around 32 years old).

Instead of doing what you did and getting into something like pinball restoration I totally walked away from something I had done for around 25 years and got into the landscaping business. I still built & painted all of our trucks & equipment but my days of turning wrenches for a living were behind me. I do miss that end of things at times but doing that stuff for over 20 years I learned enough to know just how few really talented people there are with a spray gun. Since I was more of a mechanic than a painter I hired one of the best painters in our area to do all of my street rod & muscle car paint work. But most guys I have ever worked with were specialist in their area and not good at much else.

That is what truly sets you apart. It seems you have it all together in so many directions. As I have told you when we talked in person the thing that always impresses me the most is how organized you are. (Most mechanics & body-men I have ever known were slobs.) So right off that bat that impressed me about you. Then add your painting ability (which is second to none) and the fact you can resolve any issue you get yourself into with both woodworking and mechanics is equally impressive. But on top of that you have a great ability to relate to customers & are excellent at getting the high end customers who are willing to pay what it takes to get something done right and a combination of all of the above truly makes you one in a million.

When I though I couldn't be any more impressed you did something else a few weeks ago. Realizing you were burning out on doing nothing but pinball machines for years you started doing those "pit-bikes" as a diversion which in my mind was genius. It gives you the break for doing pinball machines day after day yet it also gives you yet another avenue to show off your talents.

As I have said very often in the past - you have just amazed me in so many ways ever since I discovered your work with pinball machines that I can't stop watching & learning from you. You are a true inspiration to not only me but to dozens (if not hundreds) of people who follow you here on Pinside. I wish you all the best for years to come and hope to see you teaching us "old dogs" new tricks for many years. THANKS for everything! Skip

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
That’s a great idea. Would love to do the same with the playfield!

I mean now that you mention it, that's what we did with my TAF proto, too! Not using it in a game at all was simply the best way to preserve it.

--Donnie

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Quoted from High_End_Pins:
One more round for BBBB. I have been just working on leveling it out within reason but could have turned it into a much bigger project. Just not warranted on this one.
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Ive always hated how the faces look over the clear inserts on this game

Excellent work on those playfields

Hey Chris I was hoping to use your galleries as reference for an addams scratch build. Is you website down or did you just get a new address?

Quoted from orangegsx:
Hey Chris I was hoping to use your galleries as reference for an addams scratch build. Is you website down or did you just get a new address?

While I'm a different Chris than you intended, the gallery is located at http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery

BTW, is that a 300ZX in your avatar (grandaddy to my 370Z)?

Quoted from Mr_Tantrum:
While I'm a different Chris than you intended, the gallery is located at http://christopherhutchins.com/gallery

BTW, is that a 300ZX in your avatar (grandaddy to my 370Z)?

Thanks Chris x 2
Yup that is one of my Zs. I have a 93 tt with a few mods and a 91 tt with a lotta mods

I like the 370s, my other z is actually painted the 370 40th anniversary color “40th quartz”
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File this one under nothings ever easy.

I started out today with the mission to redecal the 2010 HEP CC.
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Pulled the decal off one side of the head. It would come off an inch at a time then break. D8D8F99C-58B6-43EB-B09D-F0D418516B95 (resized).jpeg
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Then I decided it was just more trouble than it was worth. The game probably could have used a new cabinet back then but I didn’t have that in place back then.
It’s the things like this that you just spend so much time dealing with only putting lipstick on a pig. 6DC6DAC8-3A1F-466A-8BB0-22F53FB82611 (resized).jpeg3D571229-8CBE-4B96-9708-F249A7477FE7 (resized).jpeg

I had a spare new AFM cabinet.
Routed it for the shooter rod set up instead of the button and we are all set. Same cabinet otherwise.

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Primed that and the Diner cabinet.

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Diner and CC cabs prepped along with lots of bolts and hardware.

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Painted and cleared all that stuff.

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This is a bit of an embarrassment of riches.
It took me five years to hunt down my first set of OEM fork tubes.

I have managed to hunt four full sets down in about two months. It takes a full understanding of the part numbers and when you can or can’t cross reference or modify that part to suit the needs.
Also takes hunting eBay abroad and often paying a premium. These are probably the hardest part to deal with when restoring an old motorcycle.
Once the fork tubes are pitted nothing can bring them back. It’s beyond cosmetic.
They are hard chrome and more in tune with hydraulic equipment than your normal chrome. Tolerances have to be exact down the the mm or they will leak,won’t travel properly etc.

My plan has been to buy all I can find then send the old ones in to be redone by an expert.

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The first weekend of this project was the white parts.
Last weekend was black.
This weekend will be silver
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Once all that stuff is done we can start building the frame up and painting the art on the gas and oil tank. image (resized).jpg

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Broke down my wheels. Just use a bolt cutter the spokes were mostly locked up.

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Rear rim was a little rougher than the front.
Rusty inside and some deep nicks here and there.

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Watersanded that rim starting with 180 on the deep spots working up to 1000 then polished.
Blasted the rust out of the bead section. Front just needed polishing.

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Popped all the seals and bearings out. Will replace that later. Blasted all the silver stuff then epoxy primed.

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While I let that cure a day and a half I organized all my parts.
Put them in certain categories. Without a doubt more money in parts than the cost of the bikes but that’s how it goes often. Doesn’t matter if it’s this or something else. You replace what you can with OEM/NOS parts. Recondition any and everything else.

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Using a service book to match each thing up. Way better than a manual. 45B91910-F2BE-4B18-9A33-89D8827253AE (resized).jpeg31BA0C81-98F9-4D4E-A289-CC0EFA774C9A (resized).jpeg
Got it down to this. Few large parts still in the crate but way easier to find everything now that we are about ready to start assembling.

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WaterSanded all that stuff takes a bit. They are odd shapes and then securing them strategically so you can spray them well some on both sides.

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Based and cleared. 80/20 like the frame. Just enough matte to knock the edge off the gloss.

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Back to pinball.
These Diner mechs are rough. This whole game is rough.
It went from “Doesn’t need this doesn’t need that” to needs everything.

That’s really why nothing anyone says or tells me about condition means much prior to teardown.
There are a lot of layers to peel back in order to really see what you are working with.
Lots of tumbling and or polishing ahead. Some parts are just incorrect.

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Couple thousand dollars worth of ramps just arrived.
Maverick can’t decide whether to piss on it or move in. Don’t worry we won’t let him move in.

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Another Diner is in the mix now.
This one was originally NIB. I unboxed it a few years ago for the owner. It was exciting.
We were hoping for Diamond plated but it was typical System 11 Mylar.
Today it’s back for a playfield swap.
Will be helpful to guide me in correcting the wrongs on the junky Diner.

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