HEP This Week 1-21-19

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HEP This Week 1-21-19


By High_End_Pins

4 months ago



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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 21 votes
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  • Blacked out 43 votes
    51%
  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 21 votes
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#1001 75 days ago
Quoted from jawjaw:

Is there are concerns of the back of the flex head leds touching the metal brackets and causing shorts?

Not really as long as they are tight and positioned properly.
They have sleeves on the leads. The tightest one on this build is the shoot again
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The reason I change to the lay down style is because this style is not available and they are the most common sockets to fail. They typically spin freely and don’t make reliable contact on blown out games like the TAF donor.
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#1002 75 days ago

TAF underside wiring begins.
Starting with the switches.

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Every roll over will be color correct wired and placed on a single two pin plug.
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The benefits of doing this are many but primarily they are that the switches are easily removed and replaced if needed,the ability to switch connectors around or simply unplug them helps diagnose problems that could pop up.

Here would be a vague example of that b

Is the switch good?
Plug it in to another spot and find out

Where is the short in the switch matrix coming from?

Find the row or column that is shorting and unplug one switch at a time until it goes away then inspect

It basically just enables maintenance and troubleshooting without the need to cut wires or solder in the game. It also speeds that process.

#1003 74 days ago

Everything being plugged/socketed is such an awesome touch.

Someone could do well selling HEP-compatible replacement parts!

#1004 74 days ago

Switch prewire is now done
That was a true full day and I have not mated the actual harness yet but that should go much quicker.

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#1005 74 days ago

Now I can start mating the actual harness. image (resized).jpg

Pretty much everything needs to be reconfigured but the color correct wire and simplicity of the connectors chosen really helps make it self explanatory at this point.

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#1006 74 days ago

Idk what your fee would be for TAF work but man it would be worth it!

#1007 74 days ago

Is is possible to have Brunch on a Friday evening?
Yes it is.

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#1008 74 days ago
Quoted from Atari_Daze:

Idk what your fee would be for TAF work but man it would be worth it!

Thanks!
Definitely not enough on this one but when I get into these projects cost and effort rarely even pop up in my mind.
It is all about what it is going to take to make it as nice as I possibly can or solving problems.

#1009 74 days ago

One hidden thing that really is nice when placing nearly everything on plugs is the ability to tighten and clean up the entire harness.

There is a sloppiness from the factory where the wires exit the bundle any old where at any old length.
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I can clip everything even and better thread and exit it. This provides some slack to reduce tension and neatens the harness working from the end forward.
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#1010 74 days ago

Finishing up the last bit of reconfigurations to the switch harness.

Once I get to the end I am at the trough area and it takes a bit more effort to map it out and make it serviceable.

I remove the screw down terminals that act as junctions and holders for the diodes that go to the switches and install color correct wire. 28BC1694-C0F9-4679-9EDB-0D8FB176D99E (resized).jpeg

Then I place the diodes in line with the wires and seal them off. 02D5143E-5657-4FF5-A9F6-F8FAEBCB192B (resized).jpeg
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Now I make a mini harness that groups the two switches on the trough plate and the outhole switch together.
These will now be treated as one sub assembly.

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#1011 74 days ago

That completes the switch harness it is fully integrated less a couple parts left to place later.
Next will be the lamp harness.

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#1012 73 days ago

I received some more stencils so I can better rework the EBD cabinet paint job.

The lower is pretty good as is but the head is going back to square one now that I have a better idea of what to do.

First I need some red to replace some cream.

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#1013 73 days ago

First head stencil color is black.

We don’t have the cream base to go over as designed.

This complication is what really makes it tough to map out cleanly. image (resized).jpg

What I am thinking to keep clean lines and turn down the cream but not overdo the red would be this.

The C means cream and R is red

I think this would give a cream skin tone,hat accent and red shirt accent.

This might look awesome or possibly horrible

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#1014 73 days ago

This took a bit of figuring out and time
Red was already down.
Then I had to map the cream out.
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Then place the stencil in pieces.
Maddening but only way to do it.
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Then black it out. 2442FA84-C961-42B6-9B9E-DABFADD8A6C3 (resized).jpeg

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#1015 73 days ago

Now unmasked.
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Then checked on the lower for an idea of if it will be a good fit colorwise before doing the next color.

Looks good considering that I need to do the golds and Brown and make a correction or two.

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#1016 73 days ago

Head is stenciled in the now lighter brown shade.
It was dialed back a bit and is now more yellow.
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Now unmasked and placed on the lower to continue to tweak the scheme
No gold was done on the head yet because with this many colors stacking it is best to clear it at this stage and then after sanding do the repaints needed and gold
What I am doing right now is catching the head back up with the lower.
The x are still on the head for now. image (resized).jpg

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#1018 73 days ago
Quoted from pinballinreno:

Looks a lot better.

Thanks. I eliminated the weird red strip in the stencil and cleared it for the first time in this scheme.
I have more plans to further dial it in but I was at a good save spot and it catches it up with the lower.

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#1019 73 days ago

that looks great, nice work

#1020 73 days ago

high_end_pins have you ever considered working some of these colour schemes out on a computer first? What you’ve worked out here is nothing short of amazing but it would seem to me you could run through combinations so much faster on a computer screen and not have to spend as much time mixing paint and sanding. Even if you did a screen sharing session with the pinballpimp I bet the two of you could work through dozens of combinations in 20 mintues with his digital assets and your eye.

#1021 73 days ago
Quoted from roar:

high_end_pins have you ever considered working some of these colour schemes out on a computer first? What you’ve worked out here is nothing short of amazing but it would seem to me you could run through combinations so much faster on a computer screen and not have to spend as much time mixing paint and sanding. Even if you did a screen sharing session with the pinballpimp I bet the two of you could work through dozens of combinations in 20 mintues with his digital assets and your eye.

Sounds good and might try that when I have a better plan in place but more often than not these are things I just decide to do as things start falling in place.
All my stencil work is sanded and repainted a couple times even when working with the original schemes so it is really just about figuring out the schemes and where to make changes when trying something different.
Kind of fun and stressful at the same time.

#1022 73 days ago

That is so badass!! Looks great!

#1023 73 days ago

not to be a "debbie downer", but would the hat and the face look better if you flipped the gold and cream?

edit:
then again, maybe not
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#1024 73 days ago
Quoted from j_m_:

not to be a "debbie downer", but would the hat and the face look better if you flipped the gold and cream?
edit:
then again, maybe not
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I think mostly it needs less cream and more red to balance it the lower which is heavy on the red side and looks nice overall.
The lower is mostly red with brown/gold accents. Cream is just used where appropriate for the eight ball
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I do have a much better foundation to work off of now and have some more things I plan on doing to get the visual balance needed to make the head and lower pair more easily.

#1025 73 days ago

what color are the legs and rails? I'm assuming black. also how was that book case leveled properly on TAF?

#1026 72 days ago

Working on the sides.
Eliminating cream where possible and redoing the previously darker brown shade and going back over the gold.
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Unmasked
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Little more contrast between the brown and gold and a bit cleaner looking without the random cream inclusions.
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#1027 72 days ago

Manually traced out the art on the head to leave a fairly even stencil like border
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Red

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Eliminate the cream in the hat but stay true to the colors in place and add a little more natural looking stencil like detail. 0A35491D-FBA5-4AC5-A582-AC733E9C47A6 (resized).jpeg
Consult Jackie o
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Place it on the lower.
Looks better ?gold not done yet

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#1028 72 days ago

hmmm, not enough black on the head now, cowboys body looks too busy imho

#1029 72 days ago

Got that too
I think the busy look in the shirt is ok because western shirts are like that it was the background overwhelmingly it
Now tweaked further.

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#1030 72 days ago

better definitely. maybe consider putting black in the little triangle of red between the hand and arm, kinda balance that out a bit?

#1031 72 days ago
Quoted from BorgDog:

better definitely. maybe consider putting black in the little triangle of red between the hand and arm, kinda balance that out a bit?

Yes plan on that and still need the gold too but it is starting to match up better with the lower.

#1032 72 days ago

Cool. It is looking amazing.

#1033 72 days ago

After a couple more revisions and then the gold stenciling I am fairly comfortable with this.
Might get a tweak or two before the final clear.
There are some details that aren’t going to be perfect but the schemes mesh from the lower to the head.
Backglass looks good in place so hard to ask for much better given the limitations.

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#1034 72 days ago

Which looks better?
Busy or plainer shirt ?

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#1035 72 days ago

I like Busy

#1036 72 days ago

Plain shirt looks better to me

Amazing work!!!

#1037 72 days ago

I have definitely seen that busy shirt at a couple of the country western bars in Monroe

#1038 72 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

country western bars in Monroe

Wouldn't catch me in any bar in Monroe .....

#1039 72 days ago
Quoted from jasonp:

Wouldn't catch me in any bar in Monroe .....

Me either just comb the parking lot looking for chicks

Joking only joking.

#1040 72 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

just comb the parking lot looking for chicks

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#1041 72 days ago

I like the plain shirt. Really glad you walked back some of the red up there. I rarely have a critical word to say about any HEP work, but that was a bit much. So after corrections you’re still batting a thousand.

#1042 72 days ago

I like the plainer shirt better. Plenty of black without it. The red stands out better and is less on the head in proportion.

#1043 72 days ago

I'd vote plain.

#1044 72 days ago

Taking in some of the feedback and also using my own eye live and in person I scaled the red back a little more and two toned the hat.
I think the hat will be more obvious once cleared. image (resized).jpg

The cream in the hat is easy to add or eliminate but I just think that cream on the hat takes the impact of the cowboys face and hands away and it looks strange to have more cream on a small section of the head than the entire lower cabinet.
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#1045 72 days ago

I love your red cabinet.

I think that actually the artwork on the head is simply not as good as the cabinet. I slightly modified it when drawing my own stencils and removed some clutter that was related to the limitations of their production process. But most of all I didn't like that the original art isn't mirrored.

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#1046 72 days ago
Quoted from g94:

I love your red cabinet.
I think that actually the artwork on the head is simply not as good as the cabinet. I slightly modified it when drawing my own stencils and removed some clutter that was related to the limitations of their production process. But most of all I didn't like that the original art isn't mirrored.
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Thank you.
That looks great.
The head is definitely trickier than the lower as designed.
I think I finally found a good spot for it overall and now I am just cleaning up some minor details and sloppiness.

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#1047 72 days ago

Cleaned up the details on the head now that I have it finalized.
Got the borders tight
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This should work

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#1048 72 days ago

EBD cabinet cleared again

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#1049 72 days ago

How much time total was spent on stenciling the head, not including priming?
Looks great...we appreciated you taking the time to not only document the process, but to answer our questions as well

#1050 72 days ago

I'd say you nailed the colors in the artwork, Chris.

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