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HEP This Week 1-11-2021


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“EBD Trim legs will be black regardless ”

  • Stainless/Factory 35 votes
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  • Blacked out 54 votes
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  • Painted Gold matched to cabinet 24 votes
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#6701 8 months ago
Quoted from Elicash:

Seems as though you are getting Curtis turned on to some quality adult beverages. Nice to see that. Really great that you two can share a beer at end of day.

Yes. Maverick can at least appreciate the spills

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#6702 8 months ago

Today I sanded the woodrail cabinet and started working towards manually repainting it.
These are some of the toughest jobs to do.
The luxury of stencils just isn’t there and for a single need it isn’t worth exploring so there is a different way to handle it that is pretty tedious but doable.
First the sanding.

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#6703 8 months ago

Then the filling.

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#6704 8 months ago

Then the sanding again followed by the cleaning.

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#6705 8 months ago

Now the masking
This is SLOW!
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Anything else is cut out.

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#6706 8 months ago

Lower and head are ready to spray.
Just doing the red/brick like color on the first round.

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#6707 8 months ago

I match it to the correct color but a little cleaner looking considering the current color is 70 years old and probably at the very least a little browned from aging. 36D75BE1-987D-4D35-B946-23E933D49BBF (resized).jpeg

It is then unmasked and fully cleared again.
This helps level some lingering wood grain and small divots as well as start building the lower surfaces up.
That would be the future repaint colors yelloW,teal and black.
Doesn’t look like much but it is a large step in the right direction and an essential part of the foundation of this process.
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#6708 8 months ago

You just got your Cameo Silhouette. Do you have an open bed scanner like an HP4670? You could scan the sides and print out a stencil with the Cameo. The new 4 will cut up to 5mm thick material. You would have to stitch some images, but on the plus side when you were done you would have that file in the event you ever did one of these cabs again.

#6709 8 months ago

Wow, that is a lot of tedious work. Gonna be the nicest cabinet of that era on earth.

#6710 8 months ago
Quoted from robotron911:

You just got your Cameo Silhouette. Do you have an open bed scanner like an HP4670? You could scan the sides and print out a stencil with the Cameo. The new 4 will cut up to 5mm thick material. You would have to stitch some images, but on the plus side when you were done you would have that file in the event you ever did one of these cabs again.

I don’t have a open bed scanner
Thought about grabbing a 4670 but I don’t have anything old enough to run it and most of the stuff here is Mac plus I am not computer oriented.
Is there an open bed scanner out there that works with Mac that can be used in a similar way?

#6711 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I don’t have a open bed scanner
Thought about grabbing a 4670 but I don’t have anything old enough to run it and most of the stuff here is Mac plus I am not computer oriented.
Is there an open bed scanner out there that works with Mac that can be used in a similar way?

You could just get a crappy Windows laptop specifically just to run the scanner and then transfer the files to the Mac via USB and edit there. Maybe a couple hundred bucks for the used laptop, used scanner, and a stand for the scanner.

#6712 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I don’t have a open bed scanner
Thought about grabbing a 4670 but I don’t have anything old enough to run it and most of the stuff here is Mac plus I am not computer oriented.
Is there an open bed scanner out there that works with Mac that can be used in a similar way?

Importing scans to a Mac is simple with Image Capture. Stitching things together takes more skill.

#6713 8 months ago

You can also just take a picture of the cabinet, use the trace function to trace that, clean that up, then scale it to the exact size. The trace function of the software is tricky if the art is complex, but on simple line art like this should work pretty well. There are a few videos on both the tracing and the hand cleaning part online.

I'd put a couple hours into playing with that method and see how it works versus the scanner method. The scanner method has the advantage that you don't have to scale the art, but I'm not sure the juice is worth the squeeze for relatively simple graphics like this.

--Donnie

#6714 8 months ago

I can't imagine any of these 1) scan/shoot the original, 2) import into computer, 3) convert, 4) edit, 5) output to vinyl cutter, 6) weed, 7) apply with perfect alignment -- schemes are going to save any time OR produce better results than how Chris does things currently. You're just moving work around.

#6715 8 months ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I can't imagine any of these 1) scan/shoot the original, 2) import into computer, 3) convert, 4) edit, 5) output to vinyl cutter, 6) weed, 7) apply with perfect alignment -- schemes are going to save any time OR produce better results than how Chris does things currently. You're just moving work around.

It all depends on how much time it takes him to manually mask whatever curves exist. If it's all straight lines, then you're definitely right.

I know how long it would take me to stencil that cabinet, but I have no idea how long it would take him to mask it manually, nor any idea how long it'll take him to learn to stencil it.

So it's hard to say. This cabinet is pretty simple, so maybe hand masking is faster. And he's SO unlikely to do this title again that having the files for a second one is probably not worth considering. But depending on the complexity of the art, there comes a point where using the cutter WILL be faster and easier.

FWIW, when I say "trace", I am talking about software that does a VERY good job (surprisingly good) with simple art like this. I am not talking about using the image and manually tracing over it using software...that is much harder and more time consuming (but also how you end up HAVING to do it if the art is too complex for the built in trace functions).

--Donnie

#6716 8 months ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I can't imagine any of these 1) scan/shoot the original, 2) import into computer, 3) convert, 4) edit, 5) output to vinyl cutter, 6) weed, 7) apply with perfect alignment -- schemes are going to save any time OR produce better results than how Chris does things currently. You're just moving work around.

But once you do it with the scan, you have that forever. It may require adjustment for the next one (not this woodrail specifically, but...), but it will be MUCH less work the next time.

#6717 8 months ago

If the artwork on the cabinet is perfect circles, it should be fairly simple to recreate in a sign program. I use Flexisign with my cutter, not sure what software comes with the small ones you are using.

#6718 8 months ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I can't imagine any of these 1) scan/shoot the original, 2) import into computer, 3) convert, 4) edit, 5) output to vinyl cutter, 6) weed, 7) apply with perfect alignment -- schemes are going to save any time OR produce better results than how Chris does things currently. You're just moving work around.

That is kind of what I thought too right now just given the learning curve coupled with my already limited tech savvy.
The hope I have for the silhouette is mostly to use it for small details and small custom touches.
For example on the woodrail I am hoping to use it to make a small stencil for the woman’s face.
That alone is a bit challenging at first it seems because the trace feature seems to pick up the wear just as much as the art but I am slowly figuring it out as I go.
I have a scan what is the next step or tool to use to do that?

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#6719 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

That is kind of what I thought too right now just given the learning curve coupled with my already limited tech savvy.
The hope I have for the silhouette is mostly to use it for small details and small custom touches.
For example on the woodrail I am hoping to use it to make a small stencil for the woman’s face.
That alone is a bit challenging at first it seems because the trace feature seems to pick up the wear just as much as the art but I am slowly figuring it out as I go.
I have a scan what is the next step or tool to use to do that?[quoted image][quoted image]

I use GIMP (free photoshop) with the pen tool and manually trace the paths. Then export the paths to a svg file the cutter can use.

#6720 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

That alone is a bit challenging at first it seems because the trace feature seems to pick up the wear just as much as the art but I am slowly figuring it out as I go.
I have a scan what is the next step or tool to use to do that?

Warning novice technique:

What I do is once scanned, open in photoshop. Make any touch ups, recreate areas as needed then open in illustrator.
Use illustrator to create a vector image.
Export that vector as svg file.
Open the svg file in the cameo and THEN use their software to define the cut path and then cut.
I've been doing it two years now that way and would really love to find a better way.
The cameo trace function to my level of knowledge is not very accurate. Thus eager to see what you may come to glean from more experienced users.

#6721 8 months ago

her face has those illustration comic book dots . maybe zoom it way in and clean it up with photo shop ,

#6723 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

That is kind of what I thought too right now just given the learning curve coupled with my already limited tech savvy.
The hope I have for the silhouette is mostly to use it for small details and small custom touches.
For example on the woodrail I am hoping to use it to make a small stencil for the woman’s face.
That alone is a bit challenging at first it seems because the trace feature seems to pick up the wear just as much as the art but I am slowly figuring it out as I go.
I have a scan what is the next step or tool to use to do that?[quoted image][quoted image]

I would scan/photograph it at the highest possible resolution so you can blow it up to make the tracing, then scale it back down once the tracing is done. Much more accurate that way.

#6724 8 months ago

I read these reply’s. Then I remembered my dad personally closed a gaping wound in my leg with just alcohol And a pack of butterflies from the drugstore as he smoked his L&M cigarettes and told me to hold still
I still have a leg 35 years later and I am probably just as basic
Tape and a razor blade!
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#6725 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I read these reply’s. Then I remembered my dad personally closed a gaping wound in my leg with just alcohol And a pack of butterflies from the drugstore as he smoked his L&M cigarettes and told me to hold still
I still have a leg 35 years later and I am probably just as basic
Tape and a razor blade!
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I split my scalp open from my hairline in the front to the crown of my head. My mom held it together as I held a wet washcloth with ice on it in the bathroom in front of the mirror until it clotted and the two halves held together. Once it was somewhat stable, she cut the matted hair away (reverse mohawk!) and wrapped an ace bandage around. Definitely should have had stitches, but the 70s were hardcore.

#6726 8 months ago

Friday.
Had a hot juicy steak. 2BD1DE7B-0FEA-4A7B-A8FC-C9FDE49993A0 (resized).jpeg

Put more work into my woodrail cabinet.
Trying to stick with it until I get it to a reasonable level like I did with the playfield then I will let it set a bit and dial in the final details.
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Sanded again

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Filling some more divots and other level issues.
Working on seams and things like that too.

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#6727 8 months ago

Sanded that.
Cleaned the cabinet.

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#6728 8 months ago

After leveling and cleaning
It is looking both better and worse at the same time.
Level wise it is turning the corner that is most important
The bad side of that is that it can lead to more break throughs. So I will have to revisit red work already done,
Not a surprise at all just a hope that you won’t but happens this way much more often than not.

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#6729 8 months ago

Took about 3 hours to mask the black.
It isn’t hard just multiple sides.
A cabinet repaint like this is like doing a playfield but 5 at a time with each side equaling a playfield.

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#6730 8 months ago

Black is done.

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#6731 8 months ago

Unmasked.
I can probably at the very least revisit the red before clearing again. Possibly the teal can be done prior to that also.

Yellow is a color that really shows imperfections so I probably won’t touch that until I know the surface is edge and grain free.

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#6732 8 months ago

Man - you burn through a boatload of material dialing projects into the HEP standard. Just the yardage of Frogtape (or whatever the yellow tape is) alone is staggering, let alone the paint, wire, sockets, switches, plugs....

#6733 8 months ago

You're able to paint one cabinet while another is near by without worry of it getting on the other cabinet? I see the HS in the background. Paint room ventilation I assume?

#6734 8 months ago
Quoted from Pin-Pilot:

You're able to paint one cabinet while another is near by without worry of it getting on the other cabinet? I see the HS in the background. Paint room ventilation I assume?

Yes I have a positive pressure area over there and a negative pressure in the area I choose to spray in.
Overspray isn’t a concern on the HS cabinet right now because if any settles on it at all(doubtful) it is irrelevant because I will be sanding it in full once again and continuing the paint perfecting process.

#6735 8 months ago

That is one nice paint room. Necessary with your volume of work.

#6736 8 months ago

Put some more work in the woodrail cabinet
Painted the teal.Used the silhouette for some simple shapes.

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#6737 8 months ago

Painted the yellow. A white base was needed to even out the color because of the wear and sand throughs.

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#6738 8 months ago

Unmasked.

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#6739 8 months ago

There are some minor and typical peeling issues that pop up with so much taping cutting and unmasking on such an old and fragile surface.
Nothing major at all and something I plan for and address later
This is a spot that needs to be sealed back up and essentially glued from that process before continuing. F21F2D51-9E63-4E3E-960A-AED7240D9F72 (resized).jpeg
That means clearing the cabinet where it stands and proceeding once again with the sanding masking and painting later.
This is a process that is about shrinking issues until there are none.
You start out with let’s say 600 inches of cabinet and paint issues.
You get it down to 400 on the first pass.
Sand it you are back up to 450
Tape paint clear. 200
Sand it 275.
Tape paint clear.
15
Sand 50
Tape paint clear
0
That is the process

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#6740 8 months ago

Cleared this pass.
Getting much closer.
This I will probably leave alone for at least four or five days to let it fully harden then I should be able to do all the final repaints on a level and solid surface.

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#6741 8 months ago

Thank you for posting the level of detail that you do - while most of us will never be able to achieve the level of HEP I do find that your pointers and words of wisdom have saved me hours of frustration already. One thing that is becoming apparent is that after watching you document your work I think most of us hugely underestimate the amount of hours that you spend on bringing cabinets back to the condition that you do. For myself I see the before and after picture but most of the time we do not see all the masking and re-taping that is required to get to the amazing end result that you show. This wood rail project looks to take more than average but how many hours do you spend just on masking and taping.

#6742 8 months ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

Back at the warehouse there is another new arrival.[quoted image]

Very curious and interesting to see what HEP is going to do with a brand new TBL Love to see this.

Or is it repairing shipping damage? Does however appear to be still in the original box with original tape.

Any idea when TBL is due for his treatment?

#6743 8 months ago

Glad Maverick finally showed up (after nearly 4 weeks absence) in your post of about 4 days ago.
Wondering if he may be getting a bit more shaggy lately,
since I assume the dog groomers are on lockdown for past several weeks.

Also wondering if you are getting shaggy, or do you have clippers to give yourself a homemade trim.

#6745 8 months ago

Busy Monday.
Skateball finally got packed and picked up.
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Had some new arrivals come in.
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Another IJ
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“YES! Yes you do.”I usually reply.
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Gotcha covered

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#6746 8 months ago

Have you checked with your lumberyard about delivery? I would expect for regular customers at the very least they would offer it.

#6747 8 months ago
Quoted from Alattig:

Have you checked with your lumberyard about delivery? I would expect for regular customers at the very least they would offer it.

I just buy a little at a time to minimize the footprint/storage of it. I would definitely go that route if I bought in bulk though.

#6748 8 months ago

High Speed cabinet is being prepped for the next paint session. 2AA95393-7EEB-4602-847C-DAE86F3C90A5 (resized).jpeg
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This one will address the color stacking and stencil edges. 84C90B0D-ADB1-4A0C-AD0C-3DE98BC86FAB (resized).jpeg
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I will also add the white to the front

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#6749 8 months ago

What's the silver gray cab with the lady silhouette haven't seen that before.

#6750 8 months ago
Quoted from GCS2000:

What's the silver gray cab with the lady silhouette haven't seen that before.

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