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Help. Strange power supply problem AS2518-49

By Starmag

4 years ago


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#22 4 years ago
Quoted from Starmag:

...I tried cooling these down with compressed air which made them quite cool to the touch, but cooling them didn't bring the sound back.

I'd get a can a freeze spray for electronics before shotgunning it. If it really is thermal (i.e. stops working when warm), you should be able to spot it fairly quickly. You can also use a piece of paper, etc. to help shield individual components when you spray. Helps to narrow down the specific part.
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#24 4 years ago
Quoted from Starmag:

...Thoughts?...

Get some freeze spray, really!

It could also be a bad solder joint. After it is acting up, give the board a little bit of a press in several areas. If the sound comes back, then start looking for a cracked solder joint, broken trace, etc. Might be hard to spot, to the point of being easier to just touch up a bunch of solder connections.

#27 4 years ago
Quoted from Starmag:

Well it appears I was wrong and you were right mbwalker. Even though I haven't bought some freeze spray yet, I can bring the sound back by isolating U8 LM3900n with a tube of cardboard and blowing compressed air on it for 30 secs. I had just tried it previously with the larger chips above it. Thanks.

Nah, you didn't say/do anything wrong. I'm just an old fart that has used freeze spray sporadically over the years. And chasing down a thermal problem is a little harder with air than freeze spray. Freeze spray REALLY gets cold instantly. Like frosty cold! Good deal w/the cardboard tube for isolation.

Just make sure you didn't cool any possible culprit right next to the audio chip. Try cooling down parts next to the audio IC, excluding the audio chip to be sure.

Sounds like you are on the right track tho!

Also, does the audio chip have a heatsink with thermal grease? It the thermal path used to cool the IC is so-so (loose heatsink, dried out thermal grease), that can cause the problem too. The IC might just be going into thermal shutdown.

#29 4 years ago

I just looked up the LM3900..that's just a quad op-amp. I was thinking it was the output audio amplifier. So obviously my heatsink question is a 'whoops, nevermind'. LOL.

What pin is this in?

#31 4 years ago

Sorry, I should have asked the last time...Is there a Ux by the chip? Like U1 or something similar? I'll look up the schematic and take a peek at the circuit.

#33 4 years ago
Quoted from Starmag:

Yes, U8! I'm really sure I had it isolated when I cooled it though.Also isn't the heat sinked transistor the output amp? It was still working when the game sounds would die. You could turn up and down the usual display hum with the volume on the sound board.

Yeah - the heatsunk transistor is probably the actual output device that drives the speakers (haven't looked at the schematic yet, was just looking it up). I was thinking the LM3900 was the output amplifier, until I looked it up and saw it was just a lower level audio amp - my mistake.

#35 4 years ago

OK, looked up the circuit.

Not much going on there. I doubt R5 is bad. R4 - the same. Not impossible, but unlikely. C3, the 68pF cap - I'd blame that before the resistors - but I'd blame U8 first.

The schematic shows a couple of voltage levels you can check when it acts up.
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#37 4 years ago

Link: https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=space+invaders&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick

Scroll down a ways to the Space Invaders by Bally section, the look a little bit lower to Documentation. Full schematics there.

#39 4 years ago

U8 is up next then. I should have the resistors if you want to replace just for the heck of it... Just PM me your address.

#41 4 years ago
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I will if I need it. Thank you for the kind offer.

NP, it's just the cost of a stamp...

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