UPDATE! The original PM picture has been removed because of the rules but is still “out there” I’ve copy/paste the text in here.

I need everybody with a bad JJP/Mirco playfield to please help me. Upvote this post to show mirco playfields /Playfield maker for JJP that we don’t take this!

As I just had today a PM from Mirco playfields that everything I say about the playfield issues are lies ... yeah right so all the 10000 other PF problem topics are also lies... and about his things with JJP

and that he will sue me if I don’t take it down within 24 hours.

I told him to sue me

This topic is to show when I go to court that I have more people with issues . See it like a signature on a page I can show

Quoting from his message

"
I have been told that you wrote false and company damaging stuff in several threads about my company and me. Please note that this behavior is not allowed, and can be suited in the eu. "

and

"I do kindly ask you to delete all posts mentioning my name in any negative way, especially in combination with false facts related to jjp. I will give you 24 hours from now on to do so. If that is not going to happen I will ask the owner of pinside to take action which could mean a ban of pinside for you. Same time I will forward all info to my lawyers and ask them to file a lawsuit against you. I'm not sure if you are aware of how expensive this could come but I can tell you that this would turn out into a serious thing for you. I have already done that with someone else and it was no fun for him. "

No I will eat him in court! The more people I have now to back me up the better my case against him will be.

Yes he is!

Yes everything is based

Everything he talks about is the pictures I made off playfields and the problems it has , and how WE (the pinside members) can make it better , I don’t want to delete anything . Also because I hear that he always try to sue etc people who talk to much .

I will have to remove the PM picture when a mod will ask me to, and only put the text in as I can’t share PM and don’t want to be kicked. I know the rules mods but I really want to have proof I’m not lying. So posting a picture is the only way

That is 100% correct thank you! This is all I’m trying to do. I ask him via WhatsApp if he was crazy,he stated and blocked me after.

I have nothing more to say. I told you what happens next if you don't delete my name out of your nonsense posts and I will forward this to my lawyer and to Robin from pinside. I will have no more communication to you direct.

(I have pictures to back this up also, just like the pictures of his playfield problems )

If this really Goes to court , I will sue him for about 5 million euro . To pay all the GNR owners 1000 euro, not to buy a extra playfield but have some extra pocket money that you lost on the game when you took it out the box!

Yes and I understand where your coming from

Or else I would not make those pictures. Those are playfields from mirco playfields, and many other people have made pictures also of there games with the problems. So not only I’m a back up by my own pictures but also 1000+ POTC or GNR owners

And if I lose, I will get the Vaseline

Where I heard that I can’t say but I can in court. If they believe me is the judge there thing. But I don’t think that alone will hold in court. The rest is based on my own pictures and talking about how we can make it better

Sueing them was not a thing as then the distro bought it back for like 13K when the price was 25k

I asked JJP only for a new plastic for the glass and I was told 8,99 it’s yours as It looks the game was used and put back in the box. I even send them a full unboxing video that’s when I hear again, game is used and put back in the box

No , no stickers or anything to see it’s was USA . But that can be swapped in the factory if they wanted,but I know some people who also bought some JJP nib euro like POTC CE that shipped back to USA from some distro s. Maybe it was not used maybe it was I will never know. I posted that to see that there were some more issues besides the playfield only like QC @ jjp

If mirco playfield just send t me a pm saying, look you say this and this that’s not correct please can you take it down etc etc maybe I would have been nicer, but he really went full in. And the only way to defend myself is to hope that other people will feel the same way about the mirco playfield issues so I have things to show in court that I’m not pulling pooled/chipt playfields out of my ass or his whole attitude that it’s always your problem and never his.

I’m not here to dig myself a hole but if will I hope it was for a good cause that all the pinball players will have JJP no7 with good rock solid playfields !

I think you hit it just right

If he have to sue me he has to sue 70% of pinside then

Anyway this is what the netherlands states about slander etc what he is telling I do

I’m with step 3

Step 1
Check if it is slander or defamation

In slander or slander, someone deliberately spreads negative news about you so that others start to think negatively about you. The difference is sometimes hard to see.

gossip

Slander is when someone with the negative message tries to harm your reputation by telling the truth about you. For example if you have been in jail and someone spreads this message. But it's also defamatory if he tries to damage your reputation by spreading a message he doesn't know is true. For example, when someone says that you are selling counterfeit goods when this has not been proven.

gossip

We call something slander when someone spreads a lie when that person knows it is a lie.
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step 2
Ask the person to stop

Let the person know to stop and ask them to delete the messages.

Is the news in the newspaper or online? Ask the administrator to delete the message.

Also let them know that you will take legal action if the person does not stop or delete the messages.
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step 3
Collect evidence

It is difficult to prove that someone is intentionally trying to damage your "good name". Someone may also talk negatively about you to warn others. He's doing this for a good cause, not to blackmail you. For example, a message that you are not a real doctor but pretend you are.

Both defamation and defamation are punishable and are punished as a "complaint offence". This means that the police can only intervene if you file a report yourself. Gather as much evidence for this as possible. For instance:

• Copies of messages, photos, letters or other documents
• WhatsApp messages, emails or other messages on the web
• Notifications from others who have seen or heard something

IM DOING THIS FOR A GOOD CAUSE!! NOT TO BLCKMAIL YOU

Thank you . As soon as a lawyer letter will hit my mailbox , I will seek legal advice. Until then I’m here

Oke so my original post was deleted /modded as I was violating the pinside rules to post screenshots of a PM , I have to follow the rules. So no blame here to pinside . The almost complete text is still in the first post.

Oké thank you. I will call my lawyer and start looking in to this now .

I just have to say this.

YOU GUYS ARE AMAZING!

I really thank you all for the support in the last 12 hours! Keep this topic strong and this will be the better for all of us. Let US and our Community make this pinball love even more enjoyable with less problem topics in pinside with better QC and Service

Yes he got some strong points there. If I was lying about things I said .

wy would anybody be so angry?! Why should he respond now ?
Why not 2 years ago when then a 1000 other people also showed stuff or told things.. ahhh now I know because some of my stuff is based on my findings that I believe is the real issue and also based on truth and facts and yes the truth really hurts

Ad everything up like the podcast is saying and you have a book that’s tells the whole story.

Sorry if something’s are not spelled correct , I’m still a Dutch guy

ouch!

THIS^^

greatwichjohn thank you for your responds and knowledge I appriciate it !

Interesting read, Thank you for the link. especially this part where they cut a playfield in 4 pieces and tested the clearcoat in diff settings.

IF mirco playfields was just a bit more open to this whole thing. And was looking for a way to make this better it would be better for everybody, as in the last years me and I know anybody in the pinball industry has more then enough of this.everyday there is a new topic about bad playfields,broken parts, no customer support etc and yes most of that is from JJP/mirco.

Even now this topic is forming about getting sued. It’s really hitting a bad point in history. Again I’m sorry for derailing pinside for what it should be “having a big family that’s enjoys pinball as a complete thing”

Now it’s the talk of the day does your machine has playfield damage?! Where normal it should be how does the game play etc etc, when can I play it instead of please don’t touch or the playfield will fall apart on my 10k+ game

Perhaps mirco playfields needs a calibration...

The issue is not in the machine.it does what a human is giving it. I think It’s in the clear chemicals or in the applying of the artwork to the playfield.but I’m no expert

Oke that looks really bad. I know that it’s never gonna take that amount of force like the compressor does. But it shows that the clear is not bonded in any way or form. What I don’t understand is why other brands CAN get there playfields sorted and he can’t. There must be a clearcoat expert somewhere who can precisely put a finger on the issue @ hand

We can put people in to space.... but fixing a clearcoat issue with some brands is like a trip to Pluto

Amen brother

I was the one that uploaded a scan of the playfields to fix an issue that

A: never ever should have taken place

B: never ever should have taken place

I agree a bit that it does not affect the gameplay persee, but if you pay so much for something it should be right. And it’s not new ,pinball has been here forever and the last 3/4 years this is happening and 99% comes from 1 factory so guess who need to change .... Us or the manufacturer? It’s like riding a bike with no tyres on it. Sure you can ride your bike without tires but does it ride nice?

His playfield were awsome and almost bulletproof when hobbit was made and other brand playfields like alien etc etc

So we all know he CAN do it.

We almost all agree that JJP builds 1 of the of the best pinball machines in the world . The weight is twice that of the other brands .The toys,gimmicks, screens etc is awesome. That’s also not the problem here.

The problem is the playfield. And also how JJP makes that problem our problem, they don’t give support and they blame us for doing the damage when we all know it’s mirco playfields and JJP s bad QC

And now when we put everything out in the open even more. We now have this topic.

I know that there are more things in the world then pooling and chipping.

But we all work hard enough in life to be where we are ,and to have a chance to buy these expensive toys.
I won’t go down without a fight!

That’s what this topic is for, Highclasspinball if you read this , don’t continue to walk this path or you can tell your lawyer to stir the chemicals good this time in the factory when you are out of work.
As you are breaking your own future here. Just use the search engine and type in your brand name and then let it sink in. Is it me or are those 10000 voices telling YOU something..

just man up and stir it yourself like you did with hobbit,alien,TBL and make those rock solid playfields again. ohhh and btw just apologize. Show your human part and we as a whole community will put this aside. We are all here to enjoy pinball and we all make mistakes.

From a guy that YOU are trying to SUE ,I still have a heart, time to find yours....

Little to no update as time passed.... thank you all for backing me and the pinball community.

Hope things change with the upcoming game

Some like fish some like meat ... just enjoy life

If people ever wondered what the outcome of this with Mirco and his lawyer was ,here is the answer…

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