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Help! Junk yard/wpc95 issue!

By amkoepfer

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Im at my whitts end with this game! My junk yard has an issue when the color dmd is installed that the optos trigger with the flippers, or 1 opto will trigger another opto. It is usually the sneak in/super jackpot that gets triggered, but sometimes the trough will kick out another ball.

I have a new cpu, new security chip, the new code, new opto board, and a newer driver board. The unreg 12v tests right around 12.4-12.5 with the color dmd installed. I think that is slightly low for unregulated 12v. It is a rottendog driverboard.

If i put the original dmd in, everything works as it should.
Any help would be much appreciated!

#2 2 years ago

I checked unreg 12v with the dmd unplugged and it was 12.9-13

#3 2 years ago

Leave the original DMD in place OR try an original driver board. Some Rottendog boards are known to exhibit strange issues.

#4 2 years ago
Quoted from pins4u:

Leave the original DMD in place OR try an original driver board. Some Rottendog boards are known to exhibit strange issues.

I would try an original driver board if i had one. I will be selling the game soon and the buyer would like the colordmd.

I think i am losing voltage on the opto board. It test 12.5v going in, but only 11.4-11.6 going out. Its a new board, so im looking into a possible shorted switch or something

#5 2 years ago
Quoted from amkoepfer:

I would try an original driver board if i had one. I will be selling the game soon and the buyer would like the colordmd.
I think i am losing voltage on the opto board. It test 12.5v going in, but only 11.4-11.6 going out. Its a new board, so im looking into a possible shorted switch or something

Doubt it's a switch issue or opto for that matter. If the game works with the original DMD why would a switch or opto suddenly care about the display??

My bet is you have a driver board issue. Maybe you can borrow one from a friend?

Where is the original driver board? How about repairing it or send it out for repair.

#6 2 years ago
Quoted from pins4u:

Doubt it's a switch issue or opto for that matter. If the game works with the original DMD why would a switch or opto suddenly care about the display??
My bet is you have a driver board issue. Maybe you can borrow one from a friend?
Where is the original driver board? How about repairing it or send it out for repair.

I bought it with the rottendog in it, so no original. Ill have to see if i can find one to borrow. Thanks for the suggestions!

#7 2 years ago

The colordmd uses 12v which is causing enough voltage sag to mess with your opto boards.

Are you using the z connector on your color dmd power cable? If so, is your playfield opto power plugged in to that? If so plug the opto lower directly in to the driver board and connect a different 12v connector on to your dmd z connector.

Post a pic of how you currently have it connected

#8 2 years ago
Quoted from The_Pump_House:

The colordmd uses 12v which is causing enough voltage sag to mess with your opto boards.
Are you using the z connector on your color dmd power cable? If so, is your playfield opto power plugged in to that? If so plug the opto lower directly in to the driver board and connect a different 12v connector on to your dmd z connector.
Post a pic of how you currently have it connected

I will grab a pic in just a min. They are seperate, and i have tried different variations on the plug ins.

#9 2 years ago
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#10 2 years ago

I should mention, the original problem i had was the flippers stopped working, there was an eos closed error on the switch matrix. I ended up replacing the cpu, and that solved that issue, but it was after that that this started.

#11 2 years ago

On the opto board, i unplugged j1-4 and the 12v pins at j2 and j4 read 12.5v. If i plug in j1 and j2, the pin at j4 reads 11.9, so a bit of a drop. If i switch them, and plug in j3 and j4, unplug j1 and 2, i get 12.5 at the pin on j2. So something on j1 and 2 is causing a voltage drop

5 months later
#12 1 year ago

It is related to the topic. I recently purchased a relatively clean junkyard. The AV board is bad. I’m having difficulty finding a new WPC95 board.

I'm considering purchasing PINSOUND WPC95 replacement for 500.

Since I'm new, I’m in a curious on everyone's opinions.

#13 1 year ago
Quoted from amkoepfer:

On the opto board, i unplugged j1-4 and the 12v pins at j2 and j4 read 12.5v. If i plug in j1 and j2, the pin at j4 reads 11.9, so a bit of a drop. If i switch them, and plug in j3 and j4, unplug j1 and 2, i get 12.5 at the pin on j2. So something on j1 and 2 is causing a voltage drop

On my Indy 500

Quoted from dktop:

It is related to the topic. I recently purchased a relatively clean junkyard. The AV board is bad. I’m having difficulty finding a new WPC95 board.
I'm considering purchasing PINSOUND WPC95 replacement for 500.
Since I'm new, I’m in a curious on everyone's opinions.

Ship the av board to one of the repair specialists on pinside like Chris Hibler

#14 1 year ago
Quoted from dktop:

I'm considering purchasing PINSOUND WPC95 replacement for 500.

These are the options that I am aware of. There may be other options available to you.

  1. Repair. Repair is almost always cheaper than replace. Your board may not be easily repaired if the ASIC pads have been damaged.
  2. Pinsound. You will need both the DMC (dot matrix controller) and the Pinsound (audio) board.
  3. Rottendog WAV-095. I haven't seen these in stock anywhere for quite some time.
  4. Build your own board. See ebay.com link: itm for bare board purchasing.
  5. @BallyPinball. Contact Pinside user for complete board availability.
  6. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/dumbass-test-and-reproduction-pcbs/page/9#post-6156088
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