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HELP 1978 Bally Playboy pinball machine

By Taryn

2 years ago


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#1 2 years ago

Would anyone have any idea why the F4 fuse keeps blowing. I'm very new to all of this and do not have a very good knowledge about these machines.
The molex connectors have all been replaced the top boards on the left and on the right were replaced with altec boards by the previous owner. The game was working just fine the other night and know keeps blowing the fuse. ANY help would be appreciated. THANK YOU

#2 2 years ago

Schematic or manual. Figure out what F4 protects. Then dig in. Board issue, bad coil, short to wiring. Once you figure out what F4 does, then at least you have a board or wires to start going through.

LTG : )

#3 2 years ago

Fuse F4 (it's a 5 amp fast blo) controls the coils power. Possibilities could be any of these:

Shorted bridge rectifier BR3 on rectifier board.

Shorted diode on one of the coils.

A burnt coil from being locked on.

Is the 1 amp slo blo fuse next to the flippers also blown?

#4 2 years ago

Kenlayton are you referring to the fuse under the playing field??

#5 2 years ago

Should I replace that molex connector again?

#6 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

Kenlayton are you referring to the fuse under the playing field??

yes

#7 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

Should I replace that molex connector again?

not yet

#8 2 years ago

did you put your mutimeter on each coil? do any of them not move freely?

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#9 2 years ago

yes i assume the coils are free as it was working just fine the other night. I will try and figure out what part number the molex connector and what size pins to use for J2.

#10 2 years ago

Don’t assume. Check them. Can you move them by hand? Don’t replace the connector or pins unless you’re sure they are bad.

#11 2 years ago

So lift up the entire playfield. How do you check them? I'm sorry I know nothing about these machines. Thank you for your patience.

#12 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

The molex connectors have all been replaced the top boards on the left and on the right were replaced with altec boards by the previous owner.

The game was working just fine the other night and know keeps blowing the fuse. ANY help would be appreciated. THANK YOU

first did you do anything specific to the machine between the time it was working and when it started blowing fuses ?

if you unplugged a particular connector, check to see if that connector has the "rejection pin" on it , on the circuit board header pins, one pin is missing and will say "key" on the board.

https://pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bally/Stern#The_Importance_of_Keying_Plugs

#13 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

So lift up the entire playfield. How do you check them? I'm sorry I know nothing about these machines. Thank you for your patience.

We all started somewhere. Do you know how to remove the glass so you can lift the playfield?

#14 2 years ago

No the only thing we did was unplug the game from the plugin.
I know how to remove the glass but never lifted the playfield. Looked under the playfield and WOW talk about wires underneath of there. This is why I'm VERY hesitant to do that,

#15 2 years ago
Quoted from KenLayton:

Fuse F4 (it's a 5 amp fast blo) controls the coils power. Possibilities could be any of these:

Is the 1 amp slo blo fuse next to the flippers also blown?

this fuse is on the bottom the playfield between the flipper coils , check with an ohm meter ... also the F4 fuse check to see if the correct size.

also with machine powered off (unplugged even) manually actuate all the coil driven devices and a visual inspection to see if you notice anything burnt or sluggish

Quoted from Taryn:

No the only thing we did was unplug the game from the plugin.
I know how to remove the glass but never lifted the playfield. Looked under the playfield and WOW talk about wires underneath of there. This is why I'm VERY hesitant to do that,

yes very overwhelming at first ....

hmmmmmmm look at the "coin lockout" coil on the coin door as well that would energize when you simply plug the machine back in with the power switch on

#16 2 years ago

Here is a video showing how to lift the playfield on a Bally about two years older than yours.
Starring cfh

#17 2 years ago

"coin lockout" what is that. ? The door had opened and all I did was close it.

#18 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

"coin lockout" what is that. ? The door had opened and all I did was close it.

A pinball machine on location takes money. If the machine has no power and a coin is inserted it will dump the coin in the coin return slot instead of "stealing your money"

#19 2 years ago

If you are willing to sacrifice some fuses you can try removing some connectors and using the process of elimination try and isolate where the problem is. Since you are new to electronics in the pinball that might not be a bad way to go.

Unplug connectors with a red X through them from driver board and sound board. Power up the and see if the fuse still blows.

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If still blowing remove rectifier board connectors with red x and try again. Leave the sound board and driver board unplugged still
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If the fuse still blows immediately at power up the rectifier board broad Bridge Rectifier #3 (BR3) is most likely shorted. If the fuse stopped blowing when unplugging a certain connector you have narrowed down the issue.

In theory if it was a coil was shorted, sans the knocker and coil lockout, the PF fuse should blow before the rectifier fuse. If the game was working and this happened all of a sudden i'd guess shorted BR3 on the rectifier board.

#20 2 years ago

I have unplugged J1 and J3 all is fine when I plug in J2 is when it blows the fuse. All molex connectors are new

#21 2 years ago

Are any of the leds in the SOLENOID DIAGNOSTIC leds flashing? This is on the upper right circuit board. If so, what led is flashing?

#22 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

"coin lockout" what is that. ? The door had opened and all I did was close it.

Is that when the game started blowing fuses ? Meaning after the coin door was opened and closed . If so the wiring from the coin door could have gotten pinched or kinked ,causing a short .

#23 2 years ago
Quoted from KenLayton:

Fuse F4 (it's a 5 amp fast blo) controls the coils power. Possibilities could be any of these:
Shorted bridge rectifier BR3 on rectifier board.
Shorted diode on one of the coils.
A burnt coil from being locked on.
Is the 1 amp slo blo fuse next to the flippers also blown?

Quoted from barakandl:

If you are willing to sacrifice some fuses you can try removing some connectors and using the process of elimination try and isolate where the problem is. Since you are new to electronics in the pinball that might not be a bad way to go.
Unplug connectors with a red X through them from driver board and sound board. Power up the and see if the fuse still blows.
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If still blowing remove rectifier board connectors with red x and try again. Leave the sound board and driver board unplugged still
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If the fuse still blows immediately at power up the rectifier board broad Bridge Rectifier #3 (BR3) is most likely shorted. If the fuse stopped blowing when unplugging a certain connector you have narrowed down the issue.
In theory if it was a coil was shorted, sans the knocker and coil lockout, the PF fuse should blow before the rectifier fuse. If the game was working and this happened all of a sudden i'd guess shorted BR3 on the rectifier board.

Sounds like the bridge rectifier #3 if only connector J2 plugged in. on the rectifier board

can you solder ? https://www.pinballlife.com/bridge-rectifier-35amp-600volt.html

#24 2 years ago

No the 1 amp fuse under the playfield on the right side is not blown. what is the diode on the coil? How many coils are there? Do I have to lift up the playfield to get at them?

#25 2 years ago

I believe the problem has been isolated to the bridge rectifier using barakandl 's skilled troubleshooting technique.

he also mentioned the 1A slo-blo fuse under the playfield would have blown first if a shorted diode or coil

Quoted from denoument:

Are any of the leds in the SOLENOID DIAGNOSTIC leds flashing? This is on the upper right circuit board. If so, what led is flashing?

The Altek Solenoid Driver Board would also isolate the F4 fuse from a damaged coil or diode on the playfield and give an indication of which coil.
https://allteksystems.com/collections/pinball-replacement-board-products/products/ultimate-solenoid-driver-board

the coil diodes are pre-installed on some new coils for Solid State games and some images show them here https://www.pinballlife.com/flipper-coils.html they are the little black things between the soldering tabs. shown individually here https://www.pinballlife.com/diode-1n4004.html

#26 2 years ago
Quoted from chas10e:

I believe the problem has been isolated to the bridge rectifier using barakandl 's skilled troubleshooting technique.

This means a component on the board will have to be replaced. Pinwiki has great info but if you are brand new to pins you might consider either sending the board out to ChrisHibler or Borygard
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bally/Stern#-18.2C_Stern_Rectifier_boards
We can walk you through replacing it if you are so inclined and know how to use a soldering iron.

#27 2 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

This means a component on the board will have to be replaced. Pinwiki has great info but if you are brand new to pins you might consider either sending the board out to chrishibler or borygard
https://www.pinwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bally/Stern#-18.2C_Stern_Rectifier_boards
We can walk you through replacing it if you are so inclined and know how to use a soldering iron.

Isn't that board directly soldered to the transformer ? may need a tech to stop by

roughly where do you live ?

#28 2 years ago

I live in North Dakota. There are no flashing lights on the MPU or the solenoid driver board. Those two boards are brand new alltek boards. there is a round circle of lights on the solenoid board that flash and go around in a circle. I cannot even get the damn rectifier board off 4 plastic pins holding it on squeezed them with a needle nose and nothing. About had it with this stupid thing. I would post you pictures of it if I knew how.

#29 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

I cannot even get the damn rectifier board off 4 plastic pins holding it on squeezed them with a needle nose and nothing.

They usually have a fin sticking out on one side. Push that in and snap the board off.

Quoted from Taryn:

About had it with this stupid thing.

Break time.

Quoted from Taryn:

I would post you pictures of it if I knew how.

Youtube has short how to videos.

When I take a picture for here on Pinside. I upload it to my desktop so it's easy to find. Click the attach images tab on this thread. Pick it off desk top to up load it to Pinside. Then write a description if need be.

LTG : )

#30 2 years ago

Don’t give up. To squeeze the plastic pins, you can use a piece of hard 1/8” copper tubing, or a cheap Bic pen with the tip removed. Push down on the plastic piece, then slightly pull up on a corner of the board. Rinse and repeat.

How do the connectors on the rectifier board look? Any burns?

#31 2 years ago

Well that did NOT go well busted off 3 of the plastic tabs that hold the rectifier board. Now to find 4 new ones for crying out loud. Can you order a rectifier board with the wires sodered on the back? If so do you just splice the wires from the transformer to the new board?

#32 2 years ago

You need to slow down,take a breather and maybe watch some Youtube videos on pinball machines and fixing them. That way you don't make matters worse.
-Mike

#33 2 years ago

-Mike

#34 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

Well that did NOT go well busted off 3 of the plastic tabs that hold the rectifier board. Now to find 4 new ones for crying out loud. Can you order a rectifier board with the wires sodered on the back? If so do you just splice the wires from the transformer to the new board?

Pinballlife sells a replacement for rectifier board , comes with the plastic stand offs and new connectors but it will need to be soldered . Pretty sure most replacement rectifier boards need to be soldered .

https://www.pinballlife.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PBL-100-0070-00

#35 2 years ago

You can also get one here

https://nvram.weebly.com/new-pcbs.html

#36 2 years ago

This is similar to the screwdriver I use to get the boards off them pesky standoff tabs. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-8-in-1-Precision-Slotted-and-Philips-Screwdriver-71281H/302735272

Instead of the screwdriver tip in the handle I use the tube of the shaft to push over standoff tit & it works slicker than snot.

Replacements can be found here: https://www.pinballlife.com/search.html?Search=standoff ... looks like the 3/8" ones are for the rectifier board

I have purchased from Pinballlife quite a bit never had to call them though but their telephone number is there.

I have also purchased from member barakandl as well and always had a good experience there.

#37 2 years ago

Did anyone mention that there are 3 screws holding the board in the middle that have to be removed before trying to pull the board off? The replacement boards all go on without the screws because they all use top mounted bridges, so they will float on the spacers.

OP, it sounds like you are completely new to this type of thing - get someone to install the replacement rectifier board for you, hopefully while you can watch and learn. Read up on pinwiki and here for tips on how to maintain and diagnose issues - it seems easy for people here because there's decades of experience here, and there's no shortcuts to getting that experience.

#38 2 years ago

Ok got a new rectifier board installed. Still batting 0 for 0. F4 blew on the brand new board also.

#39 2 years ago

disconnected j1 and the f4 fuse holds

#40 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

disconnected j1 and the f4 fuse holds

Rectifier J1? That goes to the playfield. Shorted coil likely cause. Without back track reading I thought we went down this road, but can you check all the coils to see if one is burnt/seized/shorted? Check to see if any coils have a shorted diode. DMM on resistance. Lowest ohm setting. Measure across every coil and see if any read 0 resistance (short).

Can you take a picture of this J1 connector so the wire colors are visible?

#41 2 years ago

barakandl I will certainly take a pic I have no idea how to post is the problem. How do I check the coils/diodes? Is this where I lift the playfield?

#42 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

I have no idea how to post is the problem. How do I check the coils/diodes? Is this where I lift the playfield?

You have to start learning somewhere.

Youtube is littered with plenty of short how to videos to guide you and help you learn.

Youtube has a search bar. Type in what you are looking for. Like how to post pictures on the internet or forum. How to check a diode. For things like coil and lift playfield. Start your search with "pinball", then how to lift a bally playfield. How to check a coil.

LTG : )

#43 2 years ago

Got posting pics, below the box where you type is a blue box that says attach...

Hit that box, and you can search your computer or whatever you’re posting with for a picture to add to your post.

You have to lift the playfield. Open the coin door, then on the upper right hand side, you will find a spring loaded lever. Move the lever, and holding the lever, lift the lock bar up and out of the way. Slide the glass down. Put the glass on something soft, without banging a corner. You can lean it against a wall or someplace where you won’t trip over it.

Remove the ball(s) from the machine. Grab the front of the apron (side opposite of the coin door) and lift. You may have to pull back on the shooter rod.

Continue to swing the playfield up. Look on the sidewall of the cabinet and you should see a rod that swings up. Insert the free end of the rod into one of the round divots under the bottom of the playfield. This will hold the playfield up.

This is not the preferred long term method - the other option is to slide the playfield back toward the coin door and lean it back on the head. If you’re not sure what I’m talking about, please search utube or whatever to see what I’m talking about. You can easily hurt yourself or the machine if not done properly.

Once the playfield is up, you’re ready to look for the bad coil, diode, wire, etc.

Take your time and watch a few videos before jumping in.

#44 2 years ago

And whenever you are ohming out (checking the resistance) of a coil (or anything else) the game should be off. In this case, the fuse is already blown so theoretically no power, but just as a general rule.

#45 2 years ago

lifted the playfield yeeees. No plungers seem to be stuck they move freely. Wonering if it could be in the door??

#46 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

lifted the playfield yeeees. No plungers seem to be stuck they move freely. Wonering if it could be in the door??

Probably not on the door since the coin lock out coil would be powered by rectifier J2. The knocker too if its in the cabinet for that game.

Quoted from Taryn:

. How do I check the coils/diodes?

Do you have a digital multimeter? With game off check resistance, omega symbol on multimeter, across coil lugs and see if any read 0 resistance.

#47 2 years ago

I checked the resistance of coils all 10.7 - 11.00. Only coil I did not check were the flipper coils as there are 3 wires to them and do not know which one wires to check on them. All coils work freely I could move them with my fingers.

#48 2 years ago

This is with j1 unplugged. No 43 volts.

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#49 2 years ago

F1 and f4 are now both blowing upon turning on the game blowing. I do not know how you all can fix these man they are complicated to say the least.
Thank you for the help in advance

#50 2 years ago
Quoted from Taryn:

F1 and f4 are now both blowing upon turning on the game blowing. I do not know how you all can fix these man they are complicated to say the least.
Thank you for the help in advance

Starting to wonder if the wiring is connected wrong. Go over the wiring to your transformer and rectifier pin by pin.

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