Don't think your going to add value trying to get further Input from him. Might be best to leave his opinion as is and move forward with valued input on what appears to be a rather well done game.

„Garbage“ is no adjective.

Shit Haymaker, your so sour your local bar probably has to kick you out during "Happy hour" !

I don't know dude, but it sounds like you might want to stick to video games.

Haymaker - For someone that is so critical of artwork, your collection of games isn't exactly filled with Picasso's.

If there's one thing we've learned about the main LCD, it's that people have wildly different opinions about what we should do with it. Some people want us to make a game look completely traditional with static artwork and blinking inserts. Other people want us to put in real-time rendered HD animations that are common in video games (usually with $10M or even $100M budgets).

We put a lot of time into figuring out how to use the playfield LCD in each game to make sure the content works well with the game. In Heist, the background image is constantly scrolling, and that makes the base image a little more interesting than a traditional playfield with static artwork. It has about a 60s loop, meaning you get to see a bit of diversity, and the sense of movement works really well with the characters moving through mode objectives in this Ocean City-based theme. Much like how traditional games use the backbox display, we then add more dynamic content based on what's happening in the modes. There *are* explosions, popups, flybys, etc, and there's a lot of video content that's overlayed in interesting ways to describe what's happening in the game. I'm sure a future release will have even more content, and that too will connect the visual feedback to what you're doing in the game.

I appreciate that the large canvas makes it easy to hold us to a higher standard than games with a static playfield and a small screen in the backbox. All of our games use the LCD differently, and future games will as well. We also encourage anybody with strong opinions about how to use the LCD to get involved in P3 game development. The Unity game engine is very popular and pretty easy to use, and it has a large development and support community. Sometimes we think we have great ideas, implement them, and realize they didn't work out as well as we hoped; so we throw that away and try something else. Unity makes it easy to experiment and then change course. It's definitely easier than printing a playfield and then throwing it away!

- Gerry
https://www.multimorphic.com

If it makes you feel any better, nearly every game in your collection has shittier artwork.

Damn. If Multimorphic keeps making games like this I might have to break down and get a p3. You can buy a new pin for 6-7k or buy these add-ons for ~2.6k each. It'd be cool to have one pin that can transform into several different games.

My friend has a p3 and he just got the cosmic racing add-on. And now Heist is out? Nice work!

lol

You sound like you try to put some thought into your posts and aim for useful criticism.
I would assert no thought was applied to choosing these two words.

-mof

Are you talking about the animations in the teaser video or the game? I agree that the animations in the teaser video are simple, but I think they do the job of introducing the story well enough. The animations in the game look very polished to me, probably because they don't try to do too much. Most importantly, I think the art style is uniform across the animations, cabinet and playfield, which ties everything together. Oktoberfest is an example of a recent game which I think you could say fairly subjectively has worse art. Not because I don't like the art, but because the art style on the backglass, cabinet, plastics and playfield are all so different.

Well...his name is Frank Bigalow .The plot of a pinball machine has to be simple, so that everyone can immediately understand it, especially when you have a non-licensed theme that people are unfamiliar with. Dialed In is an example of what happens when you make an overly complicated plot - people have trouble connecting to it.

The troll in this thread... is in Illinois… never mind - cooler head; best to not feed the troll.
In all seriousness; who comes into a thread and spouts garbage and trash about a game he's never played based upon preconceived notation's of what a pinball machine is. He probably owns a 1up pinball machine and thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I have played both the Heist and CCR career mode... and look forward to putting one on Layway when the economy gets better.

Well said. No posts from the troll in 12 hours. Must be in his cave.

Explain more about "Career mode" if you will? I have been advocating for one of the pin companies to implement some of the challenge modes and score chase modes Zen has on their B/W digital tables for quite some time. These modes make the games much more fun, and give different play options over the standard 3-ball traditional game.

Instead of the game ending after a race you can save your progress and upgrade your cart with better equipment. Instead of one race and done now there are multiple races to choose from.

Nice module caddy.. I would have thought the playfield come in a storage container of some sort, is this not the case?

They come in cardboard shipping boxes packed with foam to suspend the playfield without harm. The boxes are wider than the playfield by a bit - they still fit under the machine, but you have to put them in from the side.

Will this fit inside a plastic container? Might be too wide, but that would make the ultimate storage to have it enclosed in a hard plastic shell. Kind of like a turtle inside his shell. Boy I can't wait for Stern to release TMNT. Turtle Power!

Does career mode carry over from game to game or just race to race within a single game?

Self-contained within a single game. You earn money, upgrade your cart, run races, etc. End of the game is the end. New games start fresh.

blatantly and objectively false lol. You people are out of your minds, I honestly hope each and every single one of you purchase a P3 from Gerry after this. I'll be watching

How come you felt the need to change so much of the art on your The Shadow?

I was having a nice dinner with my girlfriend. Seriously, this whole "YoUr'E a TrOlL"thing is not a good look. I'm not here to troll and thats just silly. I called bad art bad. Sorry that makes you guys so angry

Look, I'm not trying to keep popping in here and stirring shit up. Attack me all you want or agree or be indifferent, I don't care, but I'm sure everyone would prefer to let discussion of the game to continue instead of getting riled up at me or vice versa

And I think there is value in having others make games you can load and you being able to create a game on the platform...

I actually bought it that way. Not sure how you justify your incredibly poor choice of words just because I don't have the original translite on my Shadow.

Now THAT would be an adjective.

Still no "opinion", the way you phrase it.

Troll on!

Here's for helpers how to formulate an opinion with adjectives:
"I think the art looks horrible."
"I think the art is fugly, since I am an adult and dead inside; disliking any cartoon animation whatsoever, except hentai."

Same here, but I like what I see of Heist way more. I'll probably never own it, though. I would want it as a dedicated Heist pin with the Heist side art and no intention of buying any other modules. The P3 cost structure makes more sense for guys who want several game modules to swap out.

I never thought I would pay that much for a game, but I paid almost $9400 for Elvira LE NIB last year and have spent hundreds on mods for it since. The best I can do is make Heist the first pin ever on my wish list (and feel bad every time I look at the list).

Now I am starting to be really interested... any distro in Europe?

You're in luck - Multimorphic announced distribution by RS-Pinball recently.

http://www.rs-pinball.at/p3-heist/

That's cool,... yet a bit optimistic at the moment.

LOL. Makes no sense at all. He's just a troll as we can all see.

I'm curious about what games you might suggest as having better art? And also for you to describe why it's better? Constructive feedback.

Both @rarehero and I have been very critical of game art in the past, and of Multimorphic in particular, and we both independently said that the artwork on Heist is pretty good. Personally I think it's a huge improvement and invokes the Grand Theft Auto style which makes sense and fits the theme really well. It's playful but has action and movement in it. It's not static and it's fully integrated. The playfield is truly a city under glass.

In contrast, from your collection, Demolition Man has been widely criticized for the backglass art. I also own one and I have to agree, it's pretty mediocre and hardly Linda Deal's best work. Are you saying DM is better than Heist? DM is muddy, flat and lifeless.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to your detailed analysis.

Already did and the Heist kit will here in a couple of weeks. Doesn't bother me that you don't like the artwork, I do and it's been a long time since I've been this excited for a new game.

If I were going to buy a NIB game right now, it would be this. I don't think anything available right now can even compare, particularly anything that has come out recently. The biggest pinball tech innovations of 2020 before this was a projector and a toy car fidget spinner on a stick - it's laughable. The money is well spent here.

Can't the guy just think it looks bad without writing a dissertation? I certainly don't see much detailed justification when umpteen people say something looks "great!" Two-way street.

Not to be that guy but can we get this back on track? He's entitled to his opinion as am I (and everyone else). Some people chose to communicate different than others as well. I know I tend to be a bit abrasive without intention a lot of the time especially when I'm passionate about something. I'd just like to keep this more on the launch and the achievements that the p3 team has made. Now for me to stop being hypocritical (making a post not really about the game when asking others to do the same).....

Are there any other streams of the game? I'd really like to see and hear more.

gstellenberg , any chance of a stream of you playing and talking through the game? For those that don't know, Gerry is a phenomenal pinball player!

*Edit - LOL, and it looks like a stream is coming. I had to rewrite this so many times he posted before I could ask. Looking forward to it.

I believe this will be the game which lifts multimorphic into the big leagues. i love the theme. i love the PF and the crane mech is amazing. that crane blows out any other crane in pinball history ever! this is quite the venture by MM. I have considered buying P3 before, and really became interested when jason fowler posted his video about his P3. I and always thought I would buy a NOB single owner P3 someday.

this release may just accelerate my purchase decision. I have really never been this impressed with a PF mech EVER. IMO this is the coolest Mech in pinball in the last 20 years. easily! I have never played a P3, so I really need to find one to play it and see how it feels, but if it feels as good as it looks, then I'm totally in.

and by the way, lets just agree to disagree with Haymaker. we dont need to bog the thread down with arguments. everyone is entitled to their opinion

thats the beauty of forums....the banter and the discourse. lets just move forward

5am Sunday for East Coast Australia, I think I can do that. Will set the alarm.

So we get Heist and the Twippys in one day!

Double-check that time before you set your alarm. gstellenberg did you mean CDT? We aren’t on standard time right now.

Ive been a member here for over 5 years incident free lol do you guys even understand how silly calling me a troll is? Because my opinion rubs you the wrong way and pointing out the hypocrisy i'm a troll. Ok boomers.

And side art no small task there. i just found the fact you bought a game known for its horrible art with a different art package to be funny, given your criticisms of me. Maybe the price was too good to pass up, but I'm willing to bet you paid a premium for the aurich updated art packge already installed.

You guys are funny. I'll see ya'll around, keep on flippin!

Fixed, thanks. 1pm CDT.

Side art? Where are you getting this stuff? Are you peaking through my basement window or something? The cabinet art is all original. Not sure what you’re even referring to and why that matters. This whole thing has clearly gone over your head because it actually has nothing to do with liking or disliking art. Anyway, you’re not worth anymore of my time.

Back on topic discussing this amazing game the Multimorphic team created. Looking forward to the stream!

Great time to be a P3 owner! Cooped up in the house, with my new Cosmic Cart playfield and the 2.0 beta release, as well as Heist ordered and on its way.

Nick, tell your daughter that I absolutely loved her interview. I have no idea what skill level she is at, but a huge goal for me personally was to make this game approachable for players of all skill levels. As machines and ruleset have gotten more complex over the years I feel like pins have gotten more inscrutable for most non-pinheads. Her enthusiasm gives me hope that we may have succeeded in that goal.

I liked the interview.
It's a nice thing to have to release the imprisoned characters to be able to start that mode again. Makes sense, and it gives you choices. If I understand correctly: you can just let a thief 'rot in jail' and play the other modes, but if you want all modes to be available, you'll have to free the thief(s) out of jail. So the more modes you haven't finished, the less modes are available, so you'll feel the need to free them more, right?

For the European market: there's RS-pinball in Austria (http://www.rs-pinball.at/produkt/p3-heist-fg/) but for now only e pre-order option without the full price is on their site. That'll change I suppose. Not sure if they'll have a demo-game so you can play it there? Even though Austria is to far away to go and test it, I hope they'll have one for customers to play.

Ministry of pinball (https://www.ministryofpinball.nl ) says on their site that they're selling a Multimorphic game, but not specified which one and it's not in stock.

It would be nice if Pinball Universe would be a distributor as well, for they're big and they often bring games to pinball-events. (and they're located closer to me )

Really great interview, sounds like you guys are having a great time with it.