He was immature and too stupid to stay in one of the bigger bands of the time. And he thought the band was stolen from him... Even though he didn't write any of the songs, and was brought in as a vocalist long after teh band formed. It's Dave Sabo's band.

But, you know what... He had and still has, an amazing voice. I mean... Not many people have that range, pathos, and emotion that he has. The debut of Skid Row might be hte bigger selling album... And it does have 2 of my all time favorite songs on it... But, I mean... Slave to the Grind is a top 25 metal album ever.
Not one bad song on that album...

And I live by the words... Can't be king of the world if you're just a slave to the grind...

One thing I'll say though about this game... The theme is the ultimate "one way ticket to midnight"... Just wish it had the Hagar song though...
And I commented in another thread about how stern probably wouldn't have any other dream themes for me.

And right when I think I get out, they pull me back in.

One last note. The solo album Bach did that was produced by the great Roy Z... Really good album. But, then again... Roy Z doesn't really produce crap albums.

Edit... But, the 8,200 price... No thank you. Its interesting... But, while I do like the theme. If it was reasonably priced I'd buy one. But, this is a pass for me... Hopefully enough people do buy it... So maybe in like 5-10 years I can pick one up second hand.

Up and down... But, isn't that the case for most peoples lives... It ebbs and flows...

And yeah... I think you're right about Skid Row being basically over... Their last album with Bach was really a bit ho-hum. Never could get into it. A shame because as I said Slave to the Grind is just so damn amazing. Such a heavy, heavy album. And Sabo proved he could both write and shred with the best of em... But, maybe he just ran out of ideas... It happens.

Back to this pin... It's going to take a bit of a price drop to make me smile pretty for the wrecking ball.

I know I'm just going to add to the echo chamber. But, I am interested in this machine. I like how the star wars home pin shoots. I think its fun... The pops on just one node board to me isn't really horrible, as you might not always notice it. Sure it be better if each was on their own.

I think this is a cool theme and in some ways the price increase is justified over the star wars home. As it'll have a dmd and a coin door. Also the powder coating and other blah blah blah... Hopefully They'll add a real lockdown bar on it, even if its just sterns lock down bar.
So I do agree they should charge more for it.

But, 8,200... Ouch. That's a premium and I don't see the code being very deep on this game. And of course it won't be getting the code updates like their other ones do.

My price(not that anyone asked or cares) would be around 6,000. Possibly 6,500. For a NIB... I would order one today at that price. But, it won't sell for that. If anything it'll sell discounted at like 7,999...

And the biggest bummer for me is. I don't see this being available secondhand. There just won't be enough people to take the NIB plunge for it to turn up enough on the secondhand market. A bummer. It's cool this game is being made. But, I think the price point is just insane.

And I really think if the trend continues. There will be a minor dieback in the pinball community. As people stated, Stern already made their money on this pin. But, it could be detrimental to future markets if we think we're just being price gauged to death. And Stern is on that path.
To end on a positive note. I am looking forward to seeing the layout. And the dmd animations. But, it just will make me sad in the end because I will never own or play this game.

Not only that. But, beatles was a real pinball. With lots of drops and lots of mechs.

This has the "Passive" multiball lock. Which I actually like. But, its a simple mech. It's cool... But, this game won't have any toys.

The beatles had the drops and the spinning disc. And also real animations for the LCD. Which are more costly than the dots for the DMD.

And I think the Beatles might have cost more to license than to hire Bach and the adult swim guy. Last bit I don't know about. But, I think that is probably where most of the money went on this one.
Just for the price... Not a whole lotta bang. More of a whimper. If this was a budget title. Then yeah. I think a lot of people would be all over this even at 6k.

I think it depends on how many custom songs... If its just one or two... Okay...
And I would love for this to be 4k. As I agree with you that its way overpriced. In fact I think the Star Wars home pin at 4k is overpriced and should be 3k.
But, we can wish and want all we'd like.

One last note about the fast food combo prices. It use to be fast food was cheaper than eating at a diner. Now it costs the same if not sometimes more. Sure you get your food quicker... Is that a good thing. I don't think so. I'll take a bit higher quality at the diner then fast food any day of the week. There is a place called Doggie Diner. A few of them in IL. Really like their hot dog special. Fair price and really good dogs. Nothing special, but they make them the right way. The way dirty harry would approve.

Slave to the Grind is a Heavy, HEAVY Album. Monkey Business, Title Track, The Threat... Amazing 3 lead in songs.

Yes, their debut album was very commercial. And mostly wasn't that great. But, it had 2 amazing and very metal songs on it. 18 and life and Youth Gone Wild... But, even those were more commercial than slave to the grinds sound.

And Yancy is right... Except. I mean... You got Mob Rules from Dio era Black Sabbath. And while I love Skid Row. Dio trumps that and Mob Rules is a very heavy song. A bit of thrash metal vibe on that one. But,yeah... The restof the album while good. Not the heaviest. But, I'll always love Sammy's song about that certain one way ticket to midnight... Call it HEAVY METAL!
or... Noise.

And listen to the title track of Slave to the Grind. The noose gets tighter. Around my throat, but I'm not at the end of my rope. No I won't be the one left behind. Can't be king of the world. If you're a SLAVE TO THE GRIND. Tear down the rat race and slime. Can't be king of the world if you're just a slave to the grind! KICK IT!

Trust me dude. Its heavy stuff. Don't judge Skid Row, by I'll remember you. Which hey. I had a girlfriend that loved that song. So I have no complaints about that one either.

I dedicated my life to heavy metal mate.

And slave to the grind is heavy. Listen to his voice on that album its intense.

And I own all of priests albums except rock a rolla and demolition. I've forgotten more about heavy metal than most people would know.

But, then again I think you might think that a Bowie is just a knife.
So what's this funk... that you call junk... To me its just Monkey Business... And really that's what this topic has devolved into.
Monkey Business. Just know most people viewed Slave to the Grind as a heavy metal album and consider it the first 1 heavy metal album on the billboard charts of the sound scan era.
You're missing out on an amazing album. When I need to get pumped up and pissed at the world. I put that album on and I SCREAM AND SHRIEK! And just let off steam!
So yeah mate... Like what you want. But, it's going to take more than you claiming Slave to the grind isn't heavy. To make me smile pretty for the wrecking ball.

Oh... Side note about Anvil. My favorite part of that documentary. Was the look on Michael Schenkers face when the guy talked to him about playing the guitar with a Dildo.

Schenker is my favorite guitarist ever. I own almost all of his albums(he has over 50 if you count live albums). Just missing I think 2 Thank You's and a few live ones. But, i got his important live albums and most of them. Just Michael Schenker Story live i don't have.

Glad the documentary brought them a little bit of success. But, not a real fan of them. They had heart. But, I wouldn't consider any of them a master of the craft.

Why... Because its the music of the gods my friend.

Painkiller is an amazing album. But, I'd rate it only as Priests 3rd best album. For me Stained Class and Screaming for Vengeance take priority. And all music is built on the shoulders of the giants that came before it. Iron Maiden wouldn't be there without their influences and Judas Priest is the same as well. KK loved Jimi Hendrix. Myself. I can listen to Jimi but, I don't love his stuff. But, KK loves the guy. So I'm grateful that Jimi did his thing to inspire not just KK, but all the other people out there. And I personally don't subscribe to the Sabbath invented metal theory. They certainly were one of the brick layers for the foundation. But, its really is a bit more murky and not as cut and dried as people tend to think. Because, there are elements of metal found in Deep Purple, Rainbow, and early Sabbath albums. But, for an album to be straight on throw a heavy metal album start to finish... Those didn't start to really come together until the late 70s and early 80s.

Defenders is a great album. But, it ends on a rather lackluster note. The title track is just not a very good song...
But, The Sentinel is such an amazing song. SWORN TO REVENGE... CONDEMNED TO HELL... TEMPT NOT THE BLADE ALL FEAR THE SENTINEL!!!!!!!

I know i posted my top Priest albums in a prior topic... But, mine are thus: Stained Class, Screaming For Vengeance, Pain Killer, Defenders of the Faith, Firepower, and then British Steel... I know BS is 6th album... So that's my top 6 Priest albums.

And no doubt Sabbath's sound very, very, very heavily influenced Heavy Metal. But, like you I tend to think their albums had moments where a song or two might be considered Heavy Metal. But, a start to finish album. No... And that's because it wasn't really a genre yet. It was a burgeoning movement. Where things were starting to go heavier and harder.

But, not quite defined just yet. Whats funny though. And this is kind of a shame of modern music. There never use to be such separation or very strict labeling. That is something that record stores would really start to do. But, in the early days(before my time) music was just music. If a band wanted to do a heavy song, sure. They'd do one, and if they wanted to pace something a bit lighter, sure they'd do that too. A lot of albums they didn't want each song to sonically be the same. That is not so much the case anymore. People pigeonhole themselves and they stay in that very small niche.

Since my name is Diospinball. I'll use Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell. An album I consider to be a benchmark Heavy Metal album and also a perfect and complete album. Not one bad song on it.
Starts off with Neon Knights. An uptempo fast beat song. This is to get your blood going and you in the mood to rock. Then it switches gears to the melodic, but also very, very heavy Children of the Sea(the first song that Dio wrote with Sabbath, and the song that got him into the band as he wrote it during the audition... Wrote the lyrics... Tony had the music and played it for him).
Then its Lady Evil. A song with a little bit more of lighter groove than most Dio songs ever have had. But, its still a heavy moody song.
Then of course the title track. Which is just beyond epic.
And then you get Wishing Well one of the lighter songs on the album No doubt this was put in there to keep the album from being too dark and solemn. Then its right back to the darkside with Die Young. Just an amazing song. And then they go a bit on the lighter more rock n roll based walk away song. Again. I think this was done to not make the album so down in the dumps and aggressive and brutal.
And the album ends with Lonely is the Word. A kind of hard rock/heavy metal/blues song. That kind of combines all the sonic styles on this album into this one song. Great outro solo on this, and some really nice lyrics by Dio.
I think the album is perfectly paced, and I think that if all the songs sounded like Children of the Sea, or Heaven and Hell, it would have made the album very, very, boring. And having all the varied sonic styles only strengthened it. And made it all the heavier for it. When listened to as a whole. Its just perfectly balanced and paced. Just a real sonic treat to listen to start to finish.

And that too is something that is lost on the current generation. Listening to albums as a whole. They just cherry pick their songs, and so many hidden gems get lost because of that.

I like the concept of the Defender track. Its about Heavy Metal being a king of religion and I do agree with that concept. KK also mentions that in his autobiography. He views heavy metal in that manner as well, and I do share the same view.

And don't forget the Devil That You Know album by Heaven And Hell. Heaven and Hell was Black Sabbath Dio Era lineup. A rose by any other name, and all that jazz, but its really Black Sabbath.
That album is a masterpiece as well. I'm glad Dio found success again at the end. Dehumanizer was an album that took my awhile to appreciate, but I love it now. Super intense and super heavy and dark album.Was a commercial success for them at the time, and sadly really was Dio's only real success in the 90s. Strange Highway's his solo album after that is also really good. Its very much in the Dehumanizer vein and while its nothing like his 80s output, I think the album is a minor masterpiece. Sure its no Holy Diver, but I wouldn't want him to just make everything sound like that album.

That album was a bit of a let down. As Roy Z produced it, and it was in my opinion one of his few duds after a long track record of amazing albums that he produced.
Coming off resurrection, I thought the priest album would be one of the all time greatest metal albums ever. It wasn't.

Its not a bad album. You can listen to it. Its solid start to finish. But, that's just that... Nothing grabs you, nothing makes you want to slam your fist in the air and shout HELL YEAH!!!!!

Funny enough. My favorite song on that album is Angel... Wrap your sad wings around me now...
Not a very heavy song I know. But, I like listening to it, when I'm a bit down and sad.

Just amazing what about 9k after taxes and shipping will get you... Maybe closer to 9,400...

I don't hate the art like how most people do.
But, its very underwhelming. Like everything with this pin has been so far.
And that price tag... Its not going to really do any favors for shipping units. Sure Stern made its money.
I do bet though they get a taste of each unit they do sell though.

And coupled with the fact that you're not going to get any toys or real mechs.

It'll still be just one node board for all the pops.(most likely).

And it's a dmd instead of an LCD. LCDs do not cost that much money. Can get them pretty cheap. I know it would cost a bit more to get the animations done for an LCD than an DMD. But, they could do something more like Alice Cooper, and use more of their existing art assets, and just enhance them or modify them to work...

The only way I would consider this is really 4k... My price went down. I know it won't drop that much, and I don't think these will sell enough to even be on the secondary market. So I think this pin will be unobtainium.
And I think I'm okay with that.
A shame cos I enjoy the movie, enjoy the magazine and LOVE the genre of music. This is one one way ticket to midnight I'm going to have to pass on though.

Its Elvira's House of Horrors.
Not ohhh the horror...

I mean you were talking about boobs right?!?!?! And we all know that game is built!!!
I mean look at that house toy in it. What a mech....

Plus she's got big boobs!

Well..
Yeah... Lets think about this code and the rules. The good. It'll probably ship with 1.0 code.
The bad. No code updates ever. And you bet its rules are just a swap of the SW home rules.