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What the hell is metal about this? I mean Skid Row is not Heavy Metal. Never heard of the other 2. Most likely this will be a jokey mess and bad attempt to capture anything Heavy Metal. I think its time for a break.

Metal Hurlant (aka howling metal) is the original French publication. “Heavy Metal” is just a non-literal translation. The magazine is not about heavy metal music. Skid Row’s second album is more metal than anything on the movie soundtrack. Not gonna criticize the game soundtrack until I hear it.

Slave to the Grind is a Heavy, HEAVY Album. Monkey Business, Title Track, The Threat... Amazing 3 lead in songs.

Yes, their debut album was very commercial. And mostly wasn't that great. But, it had 2 amazing and very metal songs on it. 18 and life and Youth Gone Wild... But, even those were more commercial than slave to the grinds sound.

And Yancy is right... Except. I mean... You got Mob Rules from Dio era Black Sabbath. And while I love Skid Row. Dio trumps that and Mob Rules is a very heavy song. A bit of thrash metal vibe on that one. But,yeah... The restof the album while good. Not the heaviest. But, I'll always love Sammy's song about that certain one way ticket to midnight... Call it HEAVY METAL!
or... Noise.

And listen to the title track of Slave to the Grind. The noose gets tighter. Around my throat, but I'm not at the end of my rope. No I won't be the one left behind. Can't be king of the world. If you're a SLAVE TO THE GRIND. Tear down the rat race and slime. Can't be king of the world if you're just a slave to the grind! KICK IT!

Trust me dude. Its heavy stuff. Don't judge Skid Row, by I'll remember you. Which hey. I had a girlfriend that loved that song. So I have no complaints about that one either.

Yea Slave to the Grind was quite a turn from their debut. Still a great album to listen to. (I was a fan of the first album as well though).

No its not. Then again I never considered that style of band as Metal. Just hard rock or just plain old RnR. A good Metal pin for me would be Priest, Slayer, Older Metallica and Megadeth. Perhaps some Anvil?

If you think Anvil is good and heavy, but Slave to the Grind isn't...I don't think you've actually listened to it. But to each their own, plenty of bands I don't like as well.

I dedicated my life to heavy metal mate.

And slave to the grind is heavy. Listen to his voice on that album its intense.

And I own all of priests albums except rock a rolla and demolition. I've forgotten more about heavy metal than most people would know.

But, then again I think you might think that a Bowie is just a knife.
So what's this funk... that you call junk... To me its just Monkey Business... And really that's what this topic has devolved into.
Monkey Business. Just know most people viewed Slave to the Grind as a heavy metal album and consider it the first 1 heavy metal album on the billboard charts of the sound scan era.
You're missing out on an amazing album. When I need to get pumped up and pissed at the world. I put that album on and I SCREAM AND SHRIEK! And just let off steam!
So yeah mate... Like what you want. But, it's going to take more than you claiming Slave to the grind isn't heavy. To make me smile pretty for the wrecking ball.

Oh... Side note about Anvil. My favorite part of that documentary. Was the look on Michael Schenkers face when the guy talked to him about playing the guitar with a Dildo.

Schenker is my favorite guitarist ever. I own almost all of his albums(he has over 50 if you count live albums). Just missing I think 2 Thank You's and a few live ones. But, i got his important live albums and most of them. Just Michael Schenker Story live i don't have.

Glad the documentary brought them a little bit of success. But, not a real fan of them. They had heart. But, I wouldn't consider any of them a master of the craft.

Why?

I agree. I loved that album when I was young lad but haven't listened to it since. I'm more of a Death Metal fan than hair bands and classic Metal. Painkiller is Heavy. Slayer to me is heavy so Skid Row? not so much but hey what ever floats ur boat. Listen my main go to music is Classical. You wanna talk heavy. Vivaldi. People love to think Sabbath or Priest etc. invented Heavy Metal but it was Vivaldi. "The Madness" around 7:30 min in u will hear the first ever Metal riffs come to life.

Why... Because its the music of the gods my friend.

Painkiller is an amazing album. But, I'd rate it only as Priests 3rd best album. For me Stained Class and Screaming for Vengeance take priority. And all music is built on the shoulders of the giants that came before it. Iron Maiden wouldn't be there without their influences and Judas Priest is the same as well. KK loved Jimi Hendrix. Myself. I can listen to Jimi but, I don't love his stuff. But, KK loves the guy. So I'm grateful that Jimi did his thing to inspire not just KK, but all the other people out there. And I personally don't subscribe to the Sabbath invented metal theory. They certainly were one of the brick layers for the foundation. But, its really is a bit more murky and not as cut and dried as people tend to think. Because, there are elements of metal found in Deep Purple, Rainbow, and early Sabbath albums. But, for an album to be straight on throw a heavy metal album start to finish... Those didn't start to really come together until the late 70s and early 80s.

Dimple rage. Pooling anxiety. Pricing depression. Overall Sternistic Apathy.

Isn't Dimple Rage what people on here, get, When they find out that's what pinball machines do that get air balls?

Confirmed it will not be.

Neither is Turtles...... it seems MGC is Stern’s show now.

TMNT is not a Stern speculation? That would be no new Sterns present??

That's sounds about right to me.

Defenders of the Faith is in my Priest Top 3. Probably number 1 for me, personally.

Funny thing about the Sabs and the whole metal thing. They never considered themselves a metal band, even to this day. They had such a heavy sound than set them apart from all the other bands that came out of the end of the 60s, so radio guys had to call it something. Really it was Tony having to use C tuning on his guitar because of the limited strength in his then recently-injured fingers, hence a lower sound. I'm a Sabbath die-hard, and I do like metal, but I always thought it was a bit unfair to classify them as metal and say silly things like "Paranoid" and "Symptom of the Universe" were the "first ever thrash songs." I never supported the idea to classify them as such. Not only that, but the messages in Sabbath's lyrics gets overlooked, big time. Not your typical metal stuff: "Love is life and hate is living death." Things like that. Many of their songs have very positive messages, but they also reference life's realities. Many of their songs speak to me on a different level. There are very few metal bands that could even slightly do that, and none of them can touch Sabbath.

Vol. 4 and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - fantastic albums that get ZERO radio play. Classic rock stations wont play them, because they get lumped into the 'spooky evil metal' stuff. Boy, that Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album cover sure is scary! So classic rock wont touch it. Happens to be one of the finest rock albums of the decade and really shows the height of their talent.

Defenders is a great album. But, it ends on a rather lackluster note. The title track is just not a very good song...
But, The Sentinel is such an amazing song. SWORN TO REVENGE... CONDEMNED TO HELL... TEMPT NOT THE BLADE ALL FEAR THE SENTINEL!!!!!!!

I know i posted my top Priest albums in a prior topic... But, mine are thus: Stained Class, Screaming For Vengeance, Pain Killer, Defenders of the Faith, Firepower, and then British Steel... I know BS is 6th album... So that's my top 6 Priest albums.

And no doubt Sabbath's sound very, very, very heavily influenced Heavy Metal. But, like you I tend to think their albums had moments where a song or two might be considered Heavy Metal. But, a start to finish album. No... And that's because it wasn't really a genre yet. It was a burgeoning movement. Where things were starting to go heavier and harder.

But, not quite defined just yet. Whats funny though. And this is kind of a shame of modern music. There never use to be such separation or very strict labeling. That is something that record stores would really start to do. But, in the early days(before my time) music was just music. If a band wanted to do a heavy song, sure. They'd do one, and if they wanted to pace something a bit lighter, sure they'd do that too. A lot of albums they didn't want each song to sonically be the same. That is not so much the case anymore. People pigeonhole themselves and they stay in that very small niche.

Since my name is Diospinball. I'll use Black Sabbath's Heaven and Hell. An album I consider to be a benchmark Heavy Metal album and also a perfect and complete album. Not one bad song on it.
Starts off with Neon Knights. An uptempo fast beat song. This is to get your blood going and you in the mood to rock. Then it switches gears to the melodic, but also very, very heavy Children of the Sea(the first song that Dio wrote with Sabbath, and the song that got him into the band as he wrote it during the audition... Wrote the lyrics... Tony had the music and played it for him).
Then its Lady Evil. A song with a little bit more of lighter groove than most Dio songs ever have had. But, its still a heavy moody song.
Then of course the title track. Which is just beyond epic.
And then you get Wishing Well one of the lighter songs on the album No doubt this was put in there to keep the album from being too dark and solemn. Then its right back to the darkside with Die Young. Just an amazing song. And then they go a bit on the lighter more rock n roll based walk away song. Again. I think this was done to not make the album so down in the dumps and aggressive and brutal.
And the album ends with Lonely is the Word. A kind of hard rock/heavy metal/blues song. That kind of combines all the sonic styles on this album into this one song. Great outro solo on this, and some really nice lyrics by Dio.
I think the album is perfectly paced, and I think that if all the songs sounded like Children of the Sea, or Heaven and Hell, it would have made the album very, very, boring. And having all the varied sonic styles only strengthened it. And made it all the heavier for it. When listened to as a whole. Its just perfectly balanced and paced. Just a real sonic treat to listen to start to finish.

And that too is something that is lost on the current generation. Listening to albums as a whole. They just cherry pick their songs, and so many hidden gems get lost because of that.

Haha, I actually like the Defenders title track. Epic as hell and captures a rock stadium feel in the studio. Love Priest in general and probably my favorite metal band outside of Sabbath's metal years. Speaking of which, Heaven and Hell is a masterpiece. Love the Dio era. Mob Rules and Dehumanizer also. They really started to embrace the metal community going into the 80s because they were getting no love from radio and critics. A shame really. Especially because the 2 previous efforts, Technical Ecstacy and Never Say Die, are really good albums. I know I'm in the minority on that, but there are some great songs on those albums. Sure, there was tension in the band for those sessions, especially towards Ozzy, but those albums definitely dont deserve the hate they get, especially from fans, just because they didnt sound metal enough. Well...

Not a big fan of the album but damn this song is one their best.

I like the concept of the Defender track. Its about Heavy Metal being a king of religion and I do agree with that concept. KK also mentions that in his autobiography. He views heavy metal in that manner as well, and I do share the same view.

And don't forget the Devil That You Know album by Heaven And Hell. Heaven and Hell was Black Sabbath Dio Era lineup. A rose by any other name, and all that jazz, but its really Black Sabbath.
That album is a masterpiece as well. I'm glad Dio found success again at the end. Dehumanizer was an album that took my awhile to appreciate, but I love it now. Super intense and super heavy and dark album.Was a commercial success for them at the time, and sadly really was Dio's only real success in the 90s. Strange Highway's his solo album after that is also really good. Its very much in the Dehumanizer vein and while its nothing like his 80s output, I think the album is a minor masterpiece. Sure its no Holy Diver, but I wouldn't want him to just make everything sound like that album.

That album was a bit of a let down. As Roy Z produced it, and it was in my opinion one of his few duds after a long track record of amazing albums that he produced.
Coming off resurrection, I thought the priest album would be one of the all time greatest metal albums ever. It wasn't.

Its not a bad album. You can listen to it. Its solid start to finish. But, that's just that... Nothing grabs you, nothing makes you want to slam your fist in the air and shout HELL YEAH!!!!!

Funny enough. My favorite song on that album is Angel... Wrap your sad wings around me now...
Not a very heavy song I know. But, I like listening to it, when I'm a bit down and sad.

Ya'll talkin about what is metal and blah blah blah and nobody is bringing up Brendan Small?

Priest rules!

Sabbath rules!

All that punk fuck can go to the moon

Madonna? She's a dick!

Oh, he's metal AF. I'm ok with the music. I'm still a bit sore at Adult Swim for not finishing Metalocalypse.

The only problem I see is price point and general availability.

I enjoyed watching AS , boy they had some tripped out shows leaving you angry, wtf moment, shaking your head etc.

I can confirm that it'll cost too much...

I didn't know he was behind Dethlok, thats is pretty heavy stuff and I like it. Why not just make a dethlok pin. All animated would work just fine.

Has Stern assigned all the build numbers for the droves of eager preorder buyers yet?

stern posted this on facebook today with the tag:

03/20/20 Heavy Metal/Incendium/Stern Pinball

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Sweet Art, looks moviebased!

I wish. It's not movie based (magazine based), none of the songs are from the movie and its red DMD. Other than that it sounds great

Looks very generic. I wish they would've gone with Serpieri, Caza, Moebius or Tamburini/Liberatore.

Yes Iceman is 001

Art looks great. And MANY callbacks to the movie. Which this thing supposedly has nothing to do with lol.

You sure about that?

Ok, so it's almost 50/50 magazines and movie. The female robot in the left bottom is a call back to the cover of HM #1. Tarna/zombie/planes/corvette/pair of locnar altars are all call backs to the movie. Then, you have random stuff like the female queen and the dragon that are clearly not part of the movie.
Please, Stern, don't fuck this up.

Sounds to me like ol' thatonedude is thinking of pulling the trigger on one of these!

Artwork looks good. Real question is she packin down below?

So does anyone know what well known music if any will be on this pin?
Would be great if they included Black Sabbath etc...

It would be, instead it's Sabastian Bach

i don't think youre allowed to ask that in todays cancel culture

Unless it's a total dog of a player or priced like the Mona Lisa, yeah, I'm interested.
And I would have an LCD topper playing loops of my favorite parts of the movie(read: the whole damned movie).

Speaking of fans, my coworker just received the French original graphic novel of "The waters of Deadmoon" which was serialized in HM in the 90s.

It's Brendon Small. If you know his work, you probably can guess what sort of music is expected. I would be surprised if they bothered with anything non-original. Bach is ok as a vocalist, given the right backing band. And Brendon is the right choice, IMO.

I'm in for a translite if I can just buy one of those.