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    #26 6 years ago
    Quoted from stevevt:

    Definitely the craziest thing to come out of that (very well done) interview.
    If I were a buyer on this game, I'd be waiting until any major bugs were sorted out and 1.1 or equivalent was shipping. Or maybe even later than that.
    The decision to take updates out of the end user's hands is baffling.

    yup, that is beyond dumb. Just killed a TON of potential sales with that info.

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    #28 6 years ago
    Quoted from Homepin:

    Please actually bother to listen to the ENTIRE and ALL of the reasons explained very clearly in the podcast - and if you don't like the explanations, that's fine - just don't buy a Thunderbirds machine.
    We have solid plans in place for any upgrades that might be required BUT our code will be 90% before release not 25% like some others.
    If a potential buyer is unhappy about that that's perfectly OK - I understand.
    For the record the software IS upgradable by the end user - I just do not want people fiddling with it.

    I am listening now. In general in this day, there is no reason to not make it so code can be readily updated by the end user.

    Code is never complete and bugs will come up. The standard in our world of pinball is that the end user shoudl be able to update code in a matter of minutes and for zero cost. Anything less then that is unacceptable.

    I hope there is a work around. Worst case should be inserting a new rom but that is a step back. Really should be download code onto USB, insert USB, push button and done.

    #30 6 years ago
    Quoted from Homepin:

    You are obviously unable to see the reasons so that's fine.

    I see the reasons. You are afraid of end users screwing up the update process.

    My feedback is that you should find a work around for this. The reality is that bugs crop up and it would be simpler if you can just upload new code versions and let users do the update. That is industry norm.

    Quoted from Homepin:

    You might recall that the USA is NOT my target market for this machine

    so be it. Lots of money in the USA and lots of active collectors. Do as you wish, but seems like an untapped market for your games.

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    #56 6 years ago

    Oops, did not realize that was for a contest.

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    #110 6 years ago
    Quoted from swinks:

    but Ben did state:
    "This would be in my Top 5 pinball themes, along with Roadhouse, Bible Adventures, Tesla VS Edison and Battlestar Galactica."

    it was none of those from what I remember.

    Granted, things tend to get very fuzzy when hanging with Heckendorn...

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    #393 5 years ago

    How does TGP vary between these 3 examples?

    This topic came up in a local forum and people wanted to know how it impacted tourney value also?

    #396 5 years ago
    Quoted from FalconPunch:

    Here is a simulation for 100 people doing 5 strikes with 0112

    **** PLAYERS PER ROUND, SUMMARY AFTER RUN 10000 ****

    round 1: 100.000000
    round 2: 100.000000
    round 3: 100.000000
    round 4: 89.059097
    round 5: 64.214996
    round 6: 38.139198
    round 7: 19.949301
    round 8: 9.355600
    round 9: 4.278900
    round 10: 1.651700
    round 11: 0.038800

    this seems like the best of all worlds. Keeps more people in for a few more rounds but then makes sure it does not drag on forever.

    #400 5 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_keefer:

    Lol no. They made around 10k games last year based on ipsnd info. That's about 66%.
    Assuming your numbers are fair, they'd have to make about 245k games.

    yeah, I am not sure why they continue to hold on to that 98% market share number. It is obviously way off in the current world.

    #407 5 years ago
    Quoted from Yelobird:

    but there is no denying Stern has the industry by the horns and with the recent bombshell title releases

    everyone keeps saying this but the publicly reported owners numbers (now combined with Maiden already being on the Stern rewards list), I get the impression that the recent "bombshells" are not as big as Pinside has us believe. We are skewed with the hype and hired hype people of the largest company trying to sway opinion. Unless for some odd reason, Stern games are disproportionately under recorded on Pinside and PinballMap, they are not selling in bombshell numbers. They are down from GB and pretty level since then.

    Stern has frequency domination for sure, but seems numbers per title are steadily down from the last bombshells. (GB, TWD, ST, MET)

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/stern-guardians-of-the-galaxy/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/iron-maiden-legacy-of-the-beast/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/star-wars-stern/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/batman-66/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/aerosmith-pro/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/ghostbusters/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/game_of_thrones/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/kiss-stern/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/wrestlemania/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/the_walking_dead/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/mustang-2014/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/star_trek/owners

    https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/metallica/owners

    #411 5 years ago
    Quoted from Yelobird:

    No disagreement #Whysnow my comment about bombshell simply meant they have finally moved off the non stop rock titles and onto majority interest titles not sales figures. As I to work with marketing people they tend to sell based on the larger denominator value in comparison. I was only assuming Stern marketing is (assumed) looking at 30 years of games = XXXX units sold vs the competition Still in business (excludes B/W). Based on that imaginative view they very well Could have upwards of 90% of the worlds market sales. TOTAL BS example but say they Averaged 6k units per year over 30 years thats 180,000 units. Compared to API at 400 total, or spooky 400 total, etc etc I can see how the marketing could be a fair pitch.

    Yeah, understood and agreed.

    worth note that Spooky is over 1000 games now I believe?
    JJP is a bigger number of course.

    Stern is the big dog, but no doubt about it that they dont even have close to 98% of current market share. They unfortunately have a few egos/braggarts up top and have always wanted to hold on to some sort of outdated/false claim. They would be better off just being honest with the customer base IMHO. "We strive to make great games with big licences and make more volume and titles per year than anyone else.

    I also personally wish they would get the ever increasing price under control.

    Not as many OPs buying 8.5 games for sure, but the same could be said for 5.5k games like Pros are now.

    I do think things are going to continue to get interesting with all the new players and continual ramp up in production.

    Stern has their spot as largest with lowest entry price point with big name licenses.
    Spooky has their spot with limited run, great no licensed stuff, and an agile team of nice dudes.
    JJP has premier build (somewhat eroded with the thing pulled from POTC, but game still has a crazy amount) and the price point to match; along with big license.

    How does deeproot fit into this?
    Thunderbirds?
    AP?

    Time will tell and it is getting interesting to watch

    #425 5 years ago
    Quoted from dts:

    I wonder how accurate these numbers are. I’ve owned IMDN LE for nearly four months, listed immediately in my collection on Pinside, and am not listed in this data. BM66 I am. How many pinsiders don’t even bother to list their machines? How many owners don’t use pinside?

    It is all about the relative numbers.

    Comparing Pinside reported numbers for 1 game to the next allows us to assume much less variability.

    Your Maiden is clearly listed in the owners numbers for Maiden...
    As soon at you put a game in your collection, it shows up.

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    #429 5 years ago

    Agreed, thereis no real advantage to them to release numbers and in a few cases I would guess the Pro model is actually far more limited in number than the LE model. They don't want to show that.

    All it doea it help others out if they punlish the numbers.

    I also am pretty sure some of it is about ego. STern can't tell us little white lies to boost them selves up if they publish the numbers.

    #432 5 years ago
    Quoted from ryanwanger:

    Which cases? I could maybe see (the original incandescent runs of) AC/DC since so many people went with the premium. Maybe X-Men?
    I was going to say Wrestlemania, but there are only 6 submissions for the LE. lol.

    I think XM, WWE, Kiss possibly, mustang possibly, avengers likely, and agreed on ACDC

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