Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Stupid question. What do you line up the flipper bats to? I like this except the lower left one.
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that lower left flipper looks a little low. I would adjust it to line up with the ball guide using something straight
Quoted from j_m_:that lower left flipper looks a little low. I would adjust it to line up with the ball guide using something straight
Having worked on mostly W/B games over the years, that's how I've always done it. Doing that here, seems odd. If you do that to the left one, the right also has to be the same. You also have to raise the upper left one to somewhat line up with the lower. That makes them all appear too high.
I ended up splitting the difference, which is what the game had originally, after looking at my teardown pics. If the owner doesn't like it, I can certainly adjust them.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:I heard back from BAA on the Spider Web plastic. They want a pic. Stupid of me not to send one initially. I honestly didn't send one on purpose. I wanted to see if they trusted what I said about the quality. They obviously didn't.
They got back to me last night and said they've not had this issue before. They said they'd try and find a good one.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Having worked on mostly W/B games over the years, that's how I've always done it. Doing that here, seems odd. If you do that to the left one, the right also has to be the same. You also have to raise the upper left one to somewhat line up with the lower. That makes them all appear too high.
I ended up splitting the difference, which is what the game had originally, after looking at my teardown pics. If the owner doesn't like it, I can certainly adjust them.
All the pics I've seen show the upper left parallel with the guide, and then line the bottom left to match the angle of the upper left. Then match the lower right to the lower left. The upper right, always seems to do it's own thing - angled more down.
Got everything hooked up and all seems to be working fine...except I blow F15. That's for main outhole, top hole and lower playfield hole and the 4 target bank.
I'll do some isolating when Gramma gets home. For now, Gramps is watching a 3 year old grandson who isn't feeling well.
I new it! SOB... I want my game back, that's my fbombing game (lol, add long rant here)!!! Yep, he traded me a very nice regular TAF and I kicked in 200 bucks and did the chasing. He had a TAF gold at the time and didn't need 2, I think he said you had reconditioned it also. He invited me to a pin party at his place but I couldn't make it. He had a murders row of WPC games. My name is Tim, Scandia Pinball when we met it was very brief. Your friend is a great guy, with a very nice wife that likes pinball (some guys get everything). I even put an add on CL once asking him to sell me that back. Long scratch on the left side, otherwise the cabinet was pretty good. It has a repop PBDB for the VUK now I see. We didn't have them back in the old days we had to add a cap across a couple pins to keep a regular one from going off to much. I used to screw the old relay system somewhere near there in case somebody looses there mind and wanted to put it back original. After your done I wonder what it would be worth, say it was yours and you put it up for sale, what would you ask? Don't answer that if ya' don't want to. Would really like to see it again when your done. Tell Mr. Simpson, maybe he will throw another party.
Quoted from Mombo-number-5:I new it! SOB... I want my game back, that's my fbombing game (lol, add long rant here)!!! Yep, he traded me a very nice regular TAF and I kicked in 200 bucks and did the chasing. He had a TAF gold at the time and didn't need 2, I think he said you had reconditioned it also. He invited me to a pin party at his place but I couldn't make it. He had a murders row of WPC games. My name is Tim, Scandia Pinball when we met it was very brief. Your friend is a great guy, with a very nice wife that likes pinball (some guys get everything). I even put an add on CL once asking him to sell me that back. Long scratch on the left side, otherwise the cabinet was pretty good. It has a repop PBDB for the VUK now I see. We didn't have them back in the old days we had to add a cap across a couple pins to keep a regular one from going off to much. I used to screw the old relay system somewhere near there in case somebody looses there mind and wanted to put it back original. After your done I wonder what it would be worth, say it was yours and you put it up for sale, what would you ask? Don't answer that if ya' don't want to. Would really like to see it again when your done. Tell Mr. Simpson, maybe he will throw another party.
Long scratch on the left side...this would be the one! I have no idea what something like this is worth. I don't deal enough with this era game. I will say, I highly doubt Ross would sell it. He has the most diversified collection of all my friends, and most are in incredible condition. And this one just got a little nicer. 
Quoted from IdahoRealtor:What a beast. I'm almost positive this pin weighs more than TZ & STTNG. Maybe heaviest pin ever besides Hercules.
It's good news, bad news. Bad news is, it's f'ing heavy! Good news is, because of that, we removed the head to transport it. The head and cabinet separate are pretty easy to move individually.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:I was lucky and ran into a friend at the gym who confirmed that the diode probably shorted when I reversed the leads. New diode, hooked back up and I should be good to go.
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Well, I'm making headway. The fuse no longer blows. However, when I activate the outhole switch, the kicker does not operate, but the two target bank reset coils do. The target bank reset coils are normal as they reset when the ball drains.
Now to figure out the kicker coil. Fried transistor by chance? I need to look into the diagnostics on this type game. Sadly, I know nothing.
Ross ay'? Thought it was Craig. Doesn't change things, I still want my GD game back! One I had went to Denver the other is somewhere in Idaho I think. Seriously, please tell him I would sure like to see it again someday. And, yeah, Greg has them. He said he bought them all at auction in Chicago. How bad could they be? Just curious, was the HH still working when you got it in to restore?
Quoted from Mombo-number-5:Just curious, was the HH still working when you got it in to restore?
Not sure, although Ross said it worked fine. We had to remove the head to move it to my place and I didn't hook everything back to play test before tear down, like I normally do.
FWIW, this is not a full restoration. Just a playfield swap. So the long scratch on the left side is still there.
Looks like I fried the kicker transistor. The coil locks on when I turn power on. I've got a friend with a stash of electronic parts. I'll check and see if he has a replacement.
In the meantime, I'll disconnect the coil and make sure everything else is good.
I hate that about system 80's. I do the driver board update on pinwiki. That eliminates the thunk/thwack you hear when you turn the game on, leaving me breathing easier. I'd be glad to do it for him if he wants to pay the post both ways. Quick turn around on something like that.
Quoted from Zablon:Did you use the original window or a repro? How well does it fit with the repro pf?
The original was pretty bad. I used a repro that Ross had but I'm not sure where it came from. It fit perfectly.
Quoted from Mombo-number-5:I hate that about system 80's. I do the driver board update on pinwiki. That eliminates the thunk/thwack you hear when you turn the game on, leaving me breathing easier. I'd be glad to do it for him if he wants to pay the post both ways. Quick turn around on something like that.
I'm not sure what the update involves and whether it's been done or not. I get no thwacks when I turn the game on...except for the outhole coil. Seems all I need to do is replace the driver for that and I should be good.
I suppose he might have a new RD CPU or driver board. Either eliminate the dreaded thwack, but cost more than 60 cents.
Update on the spider web plastic. It appears I received one of a new batch from BAA. Turns out they're all bad. I'll try the one from PBR.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Not sure, although Ross said it worked fine. We had to remove the head to move it to my place and I didn't hook everything back to play test before tear down, like I normally do.
FWIW, this is not a full restoration. Just a playfield swap. So the long scratch on the left side is still there.
I got it with the long scratch, tell me the dopes moving it didn't know they were scratching it when that happened. I remember it not looking like a vandalism thing. Ross was just starting to add different era games to his line up at that time. Last time I saw him he was buying a Centaur from Gary Southward and asked me which EM Big Al had at the time would be best to buy. I think Al had a Rack -a- ball or something I recommended, whatever it was had backbox animation. I wish I would have been selling my KoD at the time, it was a cherry one and would have been great in his collection. I like the early speech on the system 80's that have that, it's hilarious. But I'm also the guy who doesn't rebuild William's chime units in the em's, the trashy cowbell clanking sound is funny. I started to follow this post late, I see your swapping playfields. That is going to make this game outstanding. The backglass was 100% when I had it. Everything else worked great, but I didn't do the grounding mods back then.
Quoted from frunch:Thanks for documenting this, it has been a very enjoyable thread to follow. Your work is excellent, and the new playfield looks fantastic. Well done!
Thank you!
I was very happy with Mirco's playfields. I LOVE the dimples on the topside. They're more like small craters. Because of the size, very little predrilling is needed and their location was spot on. I don't think I had an issue with any of them. That's a good thing because they would be tough to adjust because of their size.
The dimples on the bottom side are more like what you would expect...a small dimple. I'd say 99% of them were there and the ones missing, were simple to figure out. Only a handful had to be adjusted. The sling switches weren't quite square with the sling rubbers and there were a few for the various coil mechs that had to be moved slightly. Nothing earth shattering and all were easily done.
I'm used to doing WPC playfield swaps. This took about as much time. There's less on the playfield...there just happens to be 3 of them with this game.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:I'm used to doing WPC playfield swaps. This took about as much time. There's less on the playfield...there just happens to be 3 of them with this game.
This game looks like such a beast, but after you tore it apart you made it look somewhat easy. You are a Master of restoration Bryan!
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:A name might help me remember. I'm sure you didn't introduce yourself as Mombo-number-5. My buddy told me where he bought this from, but I forget. I do remember it involved a trade for a TAF.
If the first name of the guy Lloyd knows is Greg, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. That's a shame. It sounds like something my buddy would do once he gets the game back.
That’s the same Greg that has been looking for T2 parts for me for 3 years in the warehouse
Quoted from mmr61184:That’s the same Greg that has been looking for T2 parts for me for 3 years in the warehouse
He related to me that his health was not good enough to go through his storage places/warehouse at this time. He would only be there to watch and price anything I wanted. He was not very optimistic about getting well enough to take care of this ever. Sorry to say it certainly sounds like a lot of pinball machines and parts will not see the light of day for quite some time.
I too am tearing into one of these for a customer and I instinctively ordered the spider plastic from PBR and it was perfect.
Quoted from Mombo-number-5:He related to me that his health was not good enough to go through his storage places/warehouse at this time. He would only be there to watch and price anything I wanted. He was not very optimistic about getting well enough to take care of this ever. Sorry to say it certainly sounds like a lot of pinball machines and parts will not see the light of day for quite some time.
That’s a shame
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Thank you!
I was very happy with Mirco's playfields. I LOVE the dimples on the topside. They're more like small craters. Because of the size, very little predrilling is needed and their location was spot on. I don't think I had an issue with any of them. That's a good thing because they would be tough to adjust because of their size.
The dimples on the bottom side are more like what you would expect...a small dimple. I'd say 99% of them were there and the ones missing, were simple to figure out. Only a handful had to be adjusted. The sling switches weren't quite square with the sling rubbers and there were a few for the various coil mechs that had to be moved slightly. Nothing earth shattering and all were easily done.
I'm used to doing WPC playfield swaps. This took about as much time. There's less on the playfield...there just happens to be 3 of them with this game.
I did my first Mirco swap on BSD and it was great. Playfield was perfect, dimples and holes were perfect. Made the swap a breeze compared to others I have done.
Thanks for posting the work Bryan.
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