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Haunted House Displays Not Working

By R8f1k

1 year ago


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#1 1 year ago

I just bought a Pascal PI-80 all in one board and a previously very dead Haunted House is now alive. I HAD 30+ volts at fuse F3 a few days ago, nothing has been changed on the machine except adding the new board. I don't have voltage on either side of the fuse holder. The fuse is good, 1/4 AMP Slo-blow.

Player 2 Display did work for a brief period of time, now nothing.

1) Why would I lose 30 volts?
2) How do I test displays to functionality? Everyone says the displays are not serviceable, but my displays took a 9 VDC burn off, orange lines nice and strong. Can IC chips go bad? Caps? How do I check for voltage?

#2 1 year ago

yes displays can fail.. but its likely connectivity before the displays (if they are all dead). The Displays run off the 60VDC .. but I don't know how that's generated in the PI-80... but it's a voltage that would be rectified and generated on the board. In the original design it comes from the 60VAC off the transformer and rectified on the power supply board to 60VDC. The displays use it and 5VDC. You can check for voltage on the connectors that normally would be coming from the power supply board. Look in the manual for the right connectors for HH.

It's a sys80... the connectors are always first suspect

#3 1 year ago

according to the manual - https://www.flippp.fr/media/manual/menus_PI-80_en.pdf - there should be LED feedback on the supply voltages being present (page 7)

#4 1 year ago

I see people using Jamma style connectors. Can you just use a common Jamma connector, solder on your wires, and cut off the extra rows of pins?

#5 1 year ago
Quoted from R8f1k:

I see people using Jamma style connectors. Can you just use a common Jamma connector, solder on your wires, and cut off the extra rows of pins?

The single edge connector you can push the pins out and repin with new pins. No need for the jamma hack. People do try a hack tho on the dual edge connector (which is no longer in use in your PI-80 board).

#6 1 year ago

Source for the proper pins?

#7 1 year ago

Gottlieb - connectors, connectors, connectors!

For single sided edge connectors, replacement contacts are:
08-52-0072 - larger wire 18-24AWG
08-50-0134 - smaller wire 22-26AWG

Enough overlap with 08-52-0072 that it can be used for larger and smaller wiring.

#8 1 year ago

Ok, ordered the new contacts for the edge connectors. I have a different problem now. Even without displays, I can add a credit, hit start and the game seems to go into a new game. However, no flippers work, solenoids, jets, targets, nothing.

Thoughts?

1 year later
#9 5 months ago

So I had my newer (to me) Haunted House (#hauntedhouse) just sitting in the "on" position for much of the day, has the Pascal PI-80 board, had a few issues but worked them out (biggest being a bad transistor on the board), machine has been 100% reliable for a few weeks, and SUDDENLY all of the displays went out; I wasn't even playing or touching the machine. I tried reconnecting everything, checked the F3 fuse, tried unplugging everything another 5 times, tried it again the next day, no luck, but did find lots of helpful hints on the forums (including this thread).

Ultimately I was able to determine that the AC power coming into the board (A2J1) at 60V was good. The Pascal board consolidates the power board (A2) and other boards into one, so that made the troubleshooting a little different than some of the older materials I found. But testing the A2J3 output from the board kept giving me basically no voltage readings at all (and I'm fairly stupid using a DMM, I used two different ones including an automatic one, made sure I had ground correct, set to DC in the right range, etc, and NOTHING, nada, not a volt). Lo and behold I saw the word "FUSE" written on the board, and it had a line pointing to a round thingy (yes my lack of technical expertise shows!), and sure enough I popped that right out and learned that was a tiny little fuse, which I don't think shows up on any schematics since it was not part of the original board design. Tested continuity, and I was thrilled to see NO continuity, meaning my issues seem to be caused by the little "sub-mini" sized .125A fuse. Further reading showed that the boards shipped with an extra one of these, but since I was not the original owner I did not get the extra fuse with the board. So I found one on eBay for a few bucks, and next week should be up and running.

So long story long, IF your displays suddenly go out AND if you have the Pascal PI-80 board and you leave your machine running all day (and in an upstairs area that was in the high 80s, so after a few hours things heated up I'm sure inside the machine), it is very likely just a simple little fuse ON the actual board (see photo - look for the word "FUSE", follow the line to the upper right, and that black round thing sitting on top of the white thing is the fuse and pops right off). Hope this helps someone down the road. Happy Haunted Housing!

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#10 5 months ago

I thought Pascal was using fast TR5 1/10 amp fuses as seen here:
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/products.asp?cat=179

But your description says otherwise.
Just so we can see what fuse is there, can you include a good picture of the markings on the top of the fuse?

#11 5 months ago
Quoted from G-P-E:

I thought Pascal was using slow TR5 1/10 amp fuses as seen here:
https://www.greatplainselectronics.com/products.asp?cat=179
But your description says otherwise.
Just so we can see what fuse is there, can you include a good picture of the markings on the top of the fuse?

V1.2 and older Pascal PI80 uses the fuse you linked to (which is fast 100ma), V1.3 uses fast 125ma. Info is on Pascal website where you order spare parts. Worked like a charm, man what a relief to see the displays back!

2 months later
#12 3 months ago
Quoted from naf_llabnip:

So I had my newer (to me) Haunted House (#hauntedhouse) just sitting in the "on" position for much of the day, has the Pascal PI-80 board, had a few issues but worked them out (biggest being a bad transistor on the board), machine has been 100% reliable for a few weeks, and SUDDENLY all of the displays went out; I wasn't even playing or touching the machine. I tried reconnecting everything, checked the F3 fuse, tried unplugging everything another 5 times, tried it again the next day, no luck, but did find lots of helpful hints on the forums (including this thread).
Ultimately I was able to determine that the AC power coming into the board (A2J1) at 60V was good. The Pascal board consolidates the power board (A2) and other boards into one, so that made the troubleshooting a little different than some of the older materials I found. But testing the A2J3 output from the board kept giving me basically no voltage readings at all (and I'm fairly stupid using a DMM, I used two different ones including an automatic one, made sure I had ground correct, set to DC in the right range, etc, and NOTHING, nada, not a volt). Lo and behold I saw the word "FUSE" written on the board, and it had a line pointing to a round thingy (yes my lack of technical expertise shows!), and sure enough I popped that right out and learned that was a tiny little fuse, which I don't think shows up on any schematics since it was not part of the original board design. Tested continuity, and I was thrilled to see NO continuity, meaning my issues seem to be caused by the little "sub-mini" sized .125A fuse. Further reading showed that the boards shipped with an extra one of these, but since I was not the original owner I did not get the extra fuse with the board. So I found one on eBay for a few bucks, and next week should be up and running.
So long story long, IF your displays suddenly go out AND if you have the Pascal PI-80 board and you leave your machine running all day (and in an upstairs area that was in the high 80s, so after a few hours things heated up I'm sure inside the machine), it is very likely just a simple little fuse ON the actual board (see photo - look for the word "FUSE", follow the line to the upper right, and that black round thing sitting on top of the white thing is the fuse and pops right off). Hope this helps someone down the road. Happy Haunted Housing!
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Dude thanks for this. I just had the same issue with no displays working. I also have the Pascal board in mine and noticed the displays were not working a few hours before I was having a little pinball party. I found your post and found the extra fuses that came with the board that the prior two owners of the game were awesome enough to save and give to me with all the documentation and I was able to replace this fuse and get it up and running. I was able to have all my pins up and running that night thanks to you. I never would of figured this out on my own as I was trying to troubleshoot using the manual and not thinking about the game having different board sets in it. BTW the pascal board apparently comes with 4 extra fuses. Makes you wonder if this is a common issue for the fuse to die? This is the first time it happened to me in the year or so I owned the game and my games are normally on most of saturday and sunday. Thanks again.

#13 3 months ago
Quoted from fatality83:

Dude thanks for this. I just had the same issue with no displays working. I also have the Pascal board in mine and noticed the displays were not working a few hours before I was having a little pinball party. I found your post and found the extra fuses that came with the board that the prior two owners of the game were awesome enough to save and give to me with all the documentation and I was able to replace this fuse and get it up and running. I was able to have all my pins up and running that night thanks to you. I never would of figured this out on my own as I was trying to troubleshoot using the manual and not thinking about the game having different board sets in it. BTW the pascal board apparently comes with 4 extra fuses. Makes you wonder if this is a common issue for the fuse to die? This is the first time it happened to me in the year or so I owned the game and my games are normally on most of saturday and sunday. Thanks again.

Oh fantastic, I hoped my post could help someone, yeah it seems the issue must be fairly common since there are extra fuses included. I haven't had any hiccups since my post, but good to know if they go out again that there is a quick fix to get back up and running! Anyway, glad your party guests didn't have to miss out on HH

#14 3 months ago

Just one reason why ALL my Gottlieb System 1, 80, and 80A machines have OEM Gottlieb (Rockwell) CPU boards. Much easier for me to work on these OEM boards after 40+ years of hands-on experience. And I like to keep all my machines factory original with NO modifications.

3 weeks later
#15 72 days ago
Quoted from naf_llabnip:

Oh fantastic, I hoped my post could help someone, yeah it seems the issue must be fairly common since there are extra fuses included. I haven't had any hiccups since my post, but good to know if they go out again that there is a quick fix to get back up and running! Anyway, glad your party guests didn't have to miss out on HH

Well I blew another fuse after having the game on for a about maybe 5 hours. I popped another one in and so far it made it all day sunday with no issues and I had it on and off throughout the week for about maybe 2 or 3 more hours so I am not sure if there is something going on or if that replacement fuse was faulty. Seems it always happens in attract mode so this may be a difficult one to figure out as that fuse appears to protect multiple circuits

#16 70 days ago
Quoted from fatality83:

Well I blew another fuse after having the game on for a about maybe 5 hours. I popped another one in and so far it made it all day sunday with no issues and I had it on and off throughout the week for about maybe 2 or 3 more hours so I am not sure if there is something going on or if that replacement fuse was faulty. Seems it always happens in attract mode so this may be a difficult one to figure out as that fuse appears to protect multiple circuits

Dang that sucks, I have not left mine in for longer than a couple of hours since my fuse blew either. Makes me wonder if the board could use a slightly stronger fuse? I know they slightly increased the size as they revised the board. I normally would never even consider that as a potential fix, but in this case perhaps they were too conservative with that part of the design.

#17 70 days ago

Pascal uses a novel method to generate the 60V - he steps the voltage up. Actually a really good idea.

HH uses more displays than typical system 80 games, he might have been a bit conservative in the fuse rating. Which regulator is he currently using? Possibly on that heat sink near the fuse. From there we can start to determine what max current is (based on more than just the regulator). Never want to go to max rating but would be nice to know what a safe range is.

By far the easiest thing to do - ask Pascal.

#18 68 days ago
Quoted from G-P-E:

Pascal uses a novel method to generate the 60V - he steps the voltage up. Actually a really good idea.
HH uses more displays than typical system 80 games, he might have been a bit conservative in the fuse rating. Which regulator is he currently using? Possibly on that heat sink near the fuse. From there we can start to determine what max current is (based on more than just the regulator). Never want to go to max rating but would be nice to know what a safe range is.
By far the easiest thing to do - ask Pascal.

I can look what regulator is on there and let you know. So far the game has made it about 4 days of being on since I replaced the fuse so maybe it was a bad fuse that I replaced it with the 1st time? I didn't put the board in but it came with a bag of a bout 4 or 5 fuses. Makes you wonder why he included so many. Is Pascal on this forum?

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