Yes in terms of pinball tech, quality, value and code support.

Tech: Implementation of an HD LCD screen, RGB LED lighting, the diagnostic menu, stereo sound, headphone jack on the outside of the machine. All of these things are typically not included with a pin.

Quality: There's nothing else out there like it. Even the interior of the cabinet and underside of the playfield scream quality. Also the powder coat on the LE is beautiful and doesn't easily chip unlike some other pins I've seen. All of this ties into JJP's attention to detail. If something is wrong JJP offers great customer service.

Value: WOZ is the only pin in production actually worth a $7.5k-$8k asking price. 5 magnets, 2 mini playfields, 2 mini outlane games, crystal ball toy, monkey magnet toy, spinning house and included topper. With some modern games you are lucky to get one toy.

Code: A deep and complete Keith Johnson and Ted Estes ruleset through regular code updates. Enough said

An LCD display in a pinball machines seems pretty revolutionary to me. Kinda like going from this old car radio (DMD) to a new Tesla with an LCD (WOZ's display). The older radio is cool but I wouldn't pay the same price for both cars offering the tech options below, lol.

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and of course it does not to you, lol.

Oh no, here we go with that game again. Really? That game...

This menu compares to WOZ's? LOL!

With Guns and Roses having a headphone jack 20 years ago and Laser Wars stereo sound 30 years ago I wonder why Stern doesn't include either in 2014?

You may want to play a WOZ with 4.0 on it, lol.

Also, while any game can be fun the features need to justify the price. I love the new 2015 Ford Mustang. It's a fun car. Would I pay $50k for it? Heck no.

Really? Really now? Nope.

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Sorry that the truth hurts. WOZ is a great game and earns well at many locations

You joined Pinside today and your first 4 posts are in this thread bashing WOZ? Interesting.

You were "replying to someone posting their opinion as fact"? Hmmm, that sounds like the exact same thing you are doing. Also your last comment is simply an attack against another Pinside user.

I'll admit that Star Trek has brighter lighting then WOZ. That's it and its due to the game having more spotlights then WOZ...The light shows itself are not even on the same level as those found in WOZ, far less can be done with the inserts on ST, and they can't produce as many colors.

Lol. Sure. When is the "Hitler reacts to ST code update taking 8 months" video being made?

Weird. I wouldn't know what that "code waiting" feeling is with my WOZ. Monthly code updates for nearly a year

When you are in a bunker though, waiting to be captured and seeing your evil regime fall around you I suppose you have all of the time in the world to wait for code.

No other post in this thread screams troll more then the one above and those who like it. Wow.

Yup and then wait 8 months to a year for a code update!

Many others? No.

I'm glad Alex did the powder coating work for WOZECLE. Best powder coating job on a NIB pin. Far superior then Stern's rush job that is easily prone to chips and scratches.

I've had my WOZ since last November....Others well before then.

I understand if you don't like WOZ but Alex's comment was in regards to the JJP platform (think SAM for Stern) rather then WOZ itself.

Not many waiting now. At least new owners will get a NIB pin with deep and complete code.

Wow. What a low blow.

I do. Just not for two certain individuals that have been trolling WOZ threads for nearly a year now, lol.

Update: Hey look who down voted my post...again, lol!

Oh I wasn't talking about myself

Wrong again. The two can usually be found down voting nearly every postive WOZ post and giving a thumbs up to the negative ones. lol

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Trollin, trollin, trollin, the WOZ haters keep on trollin!

Keep on going with the jabs RobT!

Is that you waiting for the ST update? haha

If Stern can do similar light shows then why don't they?

Thanks PEN. I appreciate the kind words.

I know I can get rather defensive about WOZ when like you said it comes to the lame jokes. I've also taken it too far myself a couple times with getting annoyed on here about some people's view's of the game. It's typically hard for me to ignore the comments from people who try to undermine what the game is and / or the company that made it. I understand fully that some people don't like the game and respect their opinion when its not made trying to poke or prod at others. As much as RobT and I have disagreed on things about WOZ I would be up for playing pinball with him at a show anytime. I promise I won't talk about all of WOZ's amazing toys and features either haha.

At least one thing is revolutionary about WOZ. The code support

Not sure but I've never seen a WOZ throw 555 LED's before...

Has WOZ revolutionized pinball? Just look at how many pages this thread is and all of the controversy in it. Yes, haha.

1. I don't have a cause

2. I was replying since the comment was just a one liner poking at WOZ.

3. If every machine has issues why does it bother you that I brought up modern Sterns throwin 555's?

4. Last I checked the WOZ LED board issue was fixed months ago and Stern is still using 555 LED's in areas where they can come off...If Stern has stopped doing that or developed a different method that's welcoming news.

Wow. Thank you for being insulting once again. I state opinions about WOZ that come as positive since I like the game. Others post opinions about WOZ that are more negative as some simply don't like the game.

If you and others can dish out crap, jabs and pokes about WOZ then you can deal with me defending the game or ignore me.

So go ahead and keep mocking me. At least I've never singled out others and said "Going so and so means...". That's immature.

Lol! Say's the person that just joined Pinside and this is his first post with the name "Trekkie" as part of his user name.

Guess what?! It was a pinball show! There was going to be more pins there then just WOZ. Do you think Jack would ban Stern games from the show? Nope.

Sorry but it just seems fishy that your first post ever on Pinside is in this thread of all threads and you just say that WOZ isn't that great of a game. Is that you Gary? lol

I said several weeks ago that I choose PanzerFreak because I always use the "Panzerfaust" (a German WW2 weapon) in several video games I enjoy.

May want to go back and read those posts again

Goodnight RobT. Try again next time!

Dude, I know that Panzer means tank in German. I've known that. You don't understand though that when I think of my user name that I think of those several games where I use the Panzerfaust. I didn't choose PanzerFreak because I love tanks...

You can learn about the Panzerfaust here. Like my grandma always said "See said the blind man".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

Also, you and a couple others are the only ones hung up on it. Actually maybe just you.

Try again

Read my post above.You are the one embarrassing yourself at this point.

Here you go

You can learn about the Panzerfaust here. Like my grandma always said "See said the blind man".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

Try again RobT

Read my posts above.

You can learn about the Panzerfaust here. Like my grandma always said "See said the blind man".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

Try again

Go ahead! Waste more time, lol! I know what I meant.

To both of you

You can learn about the Panzerfaust here. Like my grandma always said "See said the blind man".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

Try again

Thanks RobT! Keep on trolling!

You can learn about the Panzerfaust here. Like my grandma always said "See said the blind man".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzerfaust

Try again

That's right. I've said too many good things about JJP and WOZ...

Hey I told you where I got my username from. Go read about the Panzerfaust on Wikipedia. The link is on the previous page. It's your fault if you don't believe that is where I got my username from. Then again I could tell you, RobT and McCune that the sky is blue and you would disagree with me :p. I hope you realize that it is you three that look sillier the more you continue to bring this up, haha.

Oh look who liked your post...My guess was correct lol.

Try again little troll

10 WOZ's two people deep is 20 people. Mustang, ACDC and Iron even at 6 each is 18 people. Sounds like more people were playing WOZ.

Ok here we go...

I know what my username means. I did not just have the word "Panzer" magically pop into my head one day.

Why didn't I think you simply meant "tank" when you called me that? I thought you were using the word "tank" as a condescending reference to something due to the fact that you have been insulting, jabbing and pretty much attacking every pro WOZ / JJP comment I've made for nearly a year now. If say PEN, or anyone else here that is respectful, made the same comment I wouldn't have reacted the same way.

It was my mistake for thinking you were being rude yet again towards me.

Original post deleted. Prefer to get back on topic then make comments like above.

WOZ has revolutioned pinball in a number of ways. Code support, quality, features and the platform itself which makes adjusting settings, viewing rules and running diagnostics a breeze.

Really?

Oh the great and powerful Oz (looking at my WOZECLE). Thank you for blessing us with deep complete code and lots of toys. May the creator (Jack) forever build pins in your image. Your Hobbit brother is coming soon.

Lol, sorry had to do it after the "worshiper" comment. Seriously though, WOZ is amazing