Apples and oranges to me. Love 90s B/W games but not all were great. They went out of business and Stern survived. Stern employs some of the same people that built B/W games. Stern makes some great games but some not so great. Big thing is Stern still makes the pro for routing and le's for home collectors. Despite their hit and miss record, they still can sell out le's in minutes without even pics. Must be doing something right.