I know i have never purchased AFM or MM because the themes don't really do nothing for me on those games they are great games but for that kind of money i rather buy a great game with theme i like.

I’d love to have a P3 Lexy Lightspeed-Escape From Earth, but the art package and (cabinet and back box) kills it for me.

I absolutely cannot stand one of the worst shows to ever grace television.....Baywatch. Dumb, stupid, horrid cheese that made me change the channel instantly back in the day.

Yet.....the pinball sits in my basement. Why? Because the game is fantastic.

Go get yourself that Iron Maiden. You won't regret it...

Later,
EV

Oh yeah just about every pin is killed for me because of it. If it plays amazing I might be able to get over a theme that doesn't interest me or terrible art but it won't last long thats for sure, However whether the art is good or bad if its just a awful shitty theme no chance, Dialed In/WOZ

Whenever Bible Adventures comes out. That will be the first.

Theme is big for me. Too many good games out there not to have what you can relate to and enjoy. I like playing Iron Maiden, but not sure it would last long in my home. I really never listened to their music and I am unable to relate. Same goes for BM66, I am sure it is turning out to be a great game, but for me I never grew up watching it and so I have zero interest. Now when it comes to cheap b titles-you can have some flexibility because you get a lot of bang for your buck. I probably would not own Barbwire if the layout and game play sucked. It has a unique, fun layout and so I look passed the cheesy theme. As far as art goes, the only pinball that would be banned in my home is Hard Body-the cheese factor is just too much.

I want to pump up my collection-but unable to look at possibly the worst pinball theme ever produced!

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IMDN music sounds to me like cats fighting in the alley. I can't even listen to a complete song.........I bought the pin after playing two games on it.

Has the “art package” on a person ever prevented you from sleeping with them?

I suppose there may be a few who “take every opportunity”, but people are visual. If it doesn’t check some boxes visually, not going to the dance.

Yes I don't have many limitations in the household but theme is one of them. I'm prohibited from buying pins like TWD, ACDC, and BSD because of the young grandkids.

On the other hand I own Met and Indy 500 those themes
Weren't on my need to buy list. Great pins.

Hardbody and Future Spa. Had chances to buy both cheap and just couldn't do it.

I like playing Ironmaiden, but I won't buy it.

I would love a Walking Dead, but the theme just doesn't work in my house. The gameplay and theme are everything I'd want, but because of the theme it most likely won't be part of my long term collection.

Yes

Art killed Game of Thrones for me right off the bat. :/

WOZ. Will never buy it due to the theme.

QSS

Theme has prevented me from buying a game for my home. Both Batman 66 and Iron Maiden are two themes I just can't justify spending $5.5k to almost $8k on. For that type of money I need to really like the theme. I didn't grow up with the original Batman show or listened to Iron Maiden growing up so that's why I'm not a fan of either themes. Same goes for Munsters, never got into it as I didn't grow up with the show. However, I'll happily play both games on location as they are fun to play pins.

In regards to artwork usually I can overlook average or subpar art but that's not the case with GOT. The entire art package on that game is disappointed in my opinion and I can't believe the pro translite looks like it was made in MS Paint.

Art package not so much, but theme definitely. I will play anything, but I have to like the theme to own one. Main reason I have never had a JJP game. Like others have said, also has stopped me from purchasing BM66, Iron Maiden (although both of those are lukewarm for me so maybe in the future). Also why I could never see myself buying a Munsters even if it lives up to all the pre-announce hype.

Never. If it's a great player who gives a shit what's on the outside...

No I've owned a No Fear.

Well, thanks to Rudy’s creepy head and the carnival theme, my wife will not allow me to ever get a Funhouse...or Roadshow. She’s deathly afraid of clowns, mimes, the circus, ventriloquist dummies or anything closely related to all of the fore mentioned! Lucky for me I have a local friend who has a FH!

Sure. I would not buy a several thousand dollar toy that does not appeal to me.

Yes. Plenty of them, especially most of the recent ones.

Depends. Sometimes it doesn't matter if it's just something I am not familiar with like a movie I never seen. Band pins are tough. Music can be very polarizing and if I don't like the music gameplay cannot save it. Art is very subjective. I don't mind bad art if the gameplay is good. Good art cannot save a pin with mediocre gameplay that's for sure. It's nice when they look pretty but they gotta play great. Bad art can sometimes have it's charm but it really comes down to price. Higher the price, the more I expect. With prices up on everything, tough to justify buying anything.

Iron Maiden, The Walking Dead, and Metallica come to mind, especially the first two. Love the game play, theme will not get them into my house. 3 of the best gameplay pins Stern has made in the last 10 years, but they are no-go for me in terms of adding to my collection. Luckily Metallica was rethemed into GOTG, so it's an option......

Seriously though, if IMDN and/or TWD were rethemed to a more family friendly theme the rethemes would jump to the top of my next pin list immediately!

Theme is huge for me. I have to look at these big ass machines sitting in my living space.

Have you ever bought a couch or a piece of art you felt looked like shit!??

I certainly never have- and I will never own Dialed In and many many others. I can go play games at a location and will enjoy most any pinball, just like I look at all the art in a museum but would shudder to imagine some of it on my wall. No different to me.

Its all personal preference and there is no wrong answer IMHO.

Remember everyone, you can say you were there the day the "couchgument" was born.

I didnt buy Iron Maiden due to the band. Game played great and I had money for a premium set aside. After playing at sfge I passed. Really tried to like the music but there are so many other games I just passed. Gone are the days we have limited options if we want nib. Love jjp potc had money for that set aside and passed on that too after the changes were made. I may still own the game just not at full nib cost.

When buying for you home you can be very choosy where to put that money.

Art package led me to sell GOTLE.
Theme led me to sell TS years back.
It's all fun dont take it too seriously , very few of us have long term keeper Collections.

I don't know, technically there has been plenty of couchgument's if you include all of the people with big couch's in their gameroom that took up valuable space and whether or not to ditch the couch in favor of more machines.

I do look at pinball as art as well, I do have my MMR sitting in the middle of my family room. #1 rated machine deserves to be looked at daily.

Actually I brought it up several months ago. If only you knew what I had to go thru with Lazy Boy when they delivered a defective couch.

JJPotC, sadly.

I just can't ever see myself getting one, despite the layout, toys and rules being absolutely awesome.

I don't like PotC very much, and having Depp-face staring at you from in between the flippers ... that's a big no from me.

Had this been commissioned after DI's acclaim, I could see it having been an original pirate theme ... but the license was acquired years ago when PotC was more relevant, and Depp didn't seem like such a toxic character.

Given that they were allowed to use so little footage in the end, it would have made more sense for it to be an original theme, in retrospect.

Guys those are couch issues but not couchguments. You have to directly correlate pinball machines to couches, using the terms completely interchangeably, for it to be a couchgument.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/who-is-second-guessing-their-jjp-potc-preorder/page/12#post-4356792

Touche'

If I keep picking on all the themes I think are lame, they are gonna permanently boot me off this website. Couchguments be damned!

I didn't buy an AC/DC pro (original version) because of the giant Angus head on the playfield.

Yep

Can’t stand the Simpsons so never played and will never played any simpsons pin.

Can’t stand metal music also...unless I could replace songs like on Met. Would love another GNR pin.

Dialed In theme, audio and art turn me off so much that I would rather not even play it. I like the layout though, except the mick on a stick guy.

WOZ, DI, WWE, BBH, RS.

When I have all the space and budget I need to get the pins with the themes and playability I want, then theme alone won't matter. So, yeah, not likely.

ditto.....

Not sure if it would have stopped me from purchasing a TWD but I can't stand the LE and Pro artwork, I had to opt for the Premium instead. The other two packages came off as kind of cheesy to me.

I might own an IMDN at some point. I don’t like the theme or music, but the art is amazing and the game is fun to play. It’s like a couch that is super comfortable and looks amazing but squeaks every time you move.

Nope

You truly have no fear.

...Or I guess had.

So, fellow mad lad, what's your jump ramp record? We talking double digits or triples here?

Dialed In has got to be the king of this concept for me........What a waste of an amazing layout design. I still would argue JJP should consider retheming this pin.

Wow that did not take long, someone else agrees with the couchgument, Dialed in is horrid.

I rest my case

I would never get a Family Guy, which is a shame since I've heard it's pretty decent.

That's a shame, as you heard correctly....