Hardest wizard modes **POLL ADDED**

**I added a poll, unfortunately I can only put in 9 so I had to cut the list down to the most popular. It wasn't easy trimming them down for the poll I must say. All mentioned were good choices.**
I'm looking to get a list of the most difficult wizard modes to so, I can create ultimate trifecta of pinball wizard modes. In other words, I would like to start another thread from this one that has a poll of who has actually defeated that trifecta and create a goal for the rest of us to follow. We need a consensus of the three most difficult to start.

The difficult ones I can think of are (please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these):
Valinor
Spider Multiball
Ruler of the universe
Super Hero
Alien Invasion
Vacation Jackpot
Battle for the kingdom
LITZ
Final Frontier
The Shadow (can't think of the name of its wizard)

Which am I missing here?

Not having played to all of them I can only speak for Spider Multiball and Valinor as knowingly difficult. I would throw out The Shadow as I have heard that one is difficult.

#2 10 years ago

EDH

TigerLaw

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The hardest one to start in my view is Sperm Attack on FGY . . .

#3 10 years ago

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TSPP - Super Duper Mega Extreme Wizard Mode

#4 10 years ago

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Quoted from xbloodgreenx:
TSPP - Super Duper Mega Extreme Wizard Mode

LOL, how many wizard modes does that game have?

#5 10 years ago

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xbloodgreenx

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Quoted from bigdaddy07:
LOL, how many wizard modes does that game have?

A few. I would also consider Pretzel Multiball and Springfield Mystery Spot wizard modes. But the SDME Wizard Mode has to be the hardest in all of pinball.

#6 10 years ago

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RawleyD

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Hardest to start or complete?
Powerdown is a pretty tough WM to play well.

#7 10 years ago

KRC

xbloodgreenx

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Hardest to start

#8 10 years ago

DRM

Honch

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Spider multiball took me three years to achieve.

#9 10 years ago

DFS

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Sentenil prime in TF

#10 10 years ago

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markmon

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Shadow final battle isn't too hard. I've been there several times and beaten it once.
Rule the universe is also not too hard.
If alien invasion is the one from tspp, its not a real wizard mode so is take that out.

Hard to beat, I'll go with superhero. The mode is very hard to start but beating it is crazy. It's 6 stages and very difficult to actually beat.

#11 10 years ago

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sanctumwear

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I think Keith Johnson creates the hardest and most complex wizard modes.

TSPP Super Duper Mega Extreme Wizard Mode
FGY Sperm Attack
LOTR Valinor
WPT Keefer Invitational

#12 10 years ago

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bigdaddy07

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Quoted from xbloodgreenx:
Hardest to start

I'd say weigh them somewhere in between hardest to start and finish. I know some are hard to start and others hard to finish.

#13 10 years ago

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LITZ is hard, but not TSPP hard.

#14 10 years ago

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Quoted from kwiKimart:
LITZ is hard, but not TSPP hard.

LITZ I wouldn't say is hard just because of it's nature. Some machines can be VERY hard to get to LITZ, other machines not hard at all; but in the end it's timed and sinec there's no completion it isn't hard.

IJ Eternal Life is something that can be extremely easy to get to it shot count wise, but much harder just because you have to complete it.

#15 10 years ago

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Quoted from sanctumwear:
I think Keith Johnson creates the hardest and most complex wizard modes.
TSPP Super Duper Mega Extreme Wizard ModeFGY Sperm AttackLOTR ValinorWPT Keefer Invitational

Thanks for listing the wizard modes with the game names

#16 10 years ago

JIM

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OP
Quoted from bigdaddy07:
I'm looking to get a list of the most difficult wizard modes to so, I can create ultimate trifecta of pinball wizard modes. In other words, I would like to start another thread from this one that has a poll of who has actually defeated that trifecta and create a goal for the rest of us to follow. We need a consensus of the three most difficult to start.
The difficult ones I can think of are (please correct me if I'm wrong on any of these):ValinorSpider MultiballRuler of the universeSuper HeroAlien InvasionVacation JackpotBattle for the kingdomLITZFinal FrontierThe Shadow (can't think of the name of its wizard)
Which am I missing here?
Not having played to all of them I can only speak for Spider Multiball and Valinor as knowingly difficult. I would throw out The Shadow as I have heard that one is difficult.

Can you edit this list to include the game names for the wizard modes?

#17 10 years ago

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The updated list with machine names.
Valinor - LOTR
Spider Multiball - SS
Ruler of the universe -AFM
Super Hero -SM
Alien Invasion - Simpsons EDIT - Super Duper Mega Extreme
Vacation Jackpot - White Water
Battle for the kingdom - MM
LITZ - TZ
Final Frontier -STTNG
The Shadow (can't think of the name of its wizard)
Sentenil prime -TF
Sperm Attack - FYG

#18 10 years ago

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Thanks!

#19 10 years ago

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I love games with wizard modes, especially since I'm no wizard, it keeps them fresh with a goal to strive for. I just want to get a consensus (if possible) what the most difficult three would be. The wizard mode trifecta.

#20 10 years ago

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Tftc crypt jam is hard to get to. Need to start 12 modes.

#21 10 years ago

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The wheel of fortune wizard mode...

#22 10 years ago

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AkumaZeto

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tooooooooooooomy who has done it? Who has completed it!

#23 10 years ago

WAH

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I've had my WH20 for about a year now and only got VJ once, come with a shot two other times but only hit it one time. I think for WH20 it really depends on your lost mind kick out, if you can easily control it then I think it would be much easier. With mine though you have to make a shot, not catching/cradling that bad boy when it comes out.

#24 10 years ago

SMB

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I have still never beat MM

#25 10 years ago

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I know it's not really a complex wizard mode, but scoring the 'Special' bonus mode on Black Knight is nearly impossible. You have to get all 4 drop target banks completed, then hit the turnaround, in 30 seconds. All while trying to manually plunge the continuous multiball.

-Hans

#26 10 years ago

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Quoted from AkumaZeto:
tooooooooooooomy who has done it? Who has completed it!

I have been trying every other game I play to speed run Tommy - go through every mode and restart another mode right away without playing the current mode. You don't have to complete the 12 mode objectives to get to Pinball Wizard, you just have to start them. Some modes are very easy to drain out of (esp. Silverball and Cousin Kevin) when you get greedy for points. If I get extra ball mode early, I can often get to 10 or 11 modes. Getting through all twelve is dang hard. It hurts a little when the strategy to get wizard mode is totally different than the strategy to get a lot of points.

Still working on getting to that first Pinball Wizard after having the game almost a year. I left Lyman up there as GC at 1B points for a goal. 708M best so far.

#27 10 years ago

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I don't think Final Frontier is all that hard to start, especially compared to some of the others on your list.

As of right now, it's probably Dark Phoenix on X-Men. Good luck starting that with the current code!

--Luke

#28 10 years ago

BWZ

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I think The Shadow is hard is hell-I've gotten to the final battle 4 times, but never got close to completing it.

#29 10 years ago

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Quoted from HighNoon:
I don't think Final Frontier is all that hard to start, especially compared to some of the others on your list.

I agree especially since I've made it there a handful of times I put it there more as a brain dump.

#30 10 years ago

ANV

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Blood Multiball Wizard mode for X-files. I don't know if it is possible with those tight ramp shots.

#31 10 years ago

BRM

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Let's not forget about RBION's "Atlantis" and "frog frenzy"! It is very difficult to get to these wizard modes.

#32 10 years ago

JIM

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Quoted from Concretehardt:
I have still never beat MM

And you once owned it.....I haven't ever been close, but only have a small quantity of games played on it

#33 10 years ago

???

soren

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Oh the horror of it all. On a SDTM scoop spitout configuration. Cannot be done.

#34 10 years ago

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Pretzel MB is way more difficult to start than AI. But as mentioned, SDMEWM is the real wizard mode, which I can't even imagine getting to..

#35 10 years ago

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No one has mentioned Batman Dark Knight? Getting Bruce Wayne and Lucious Fox lit take a ton of shots.

I'd also throw Pinball Magic out there. Making it through all seven magicians three times each, and then hitting that stupid presto-change target a half dozen times to start the final wizard mode seems near impossible to do on three balls.

#36 10 years ago

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Trying to thin them down some based on popular mention above.

TSPP - Super Duper Mega Extreme
Battle for the kingdom - MM
Spider Multiball - SS
Tommy

Not much mention of Valinor and I'm really suprised by that. Maybe I need to stick some of these in a poll.

#37 10 years ago

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Quoted from bigdaddy07:
Trying to thin them down some based on popular mention above.
TSPP - Super Duper Mega Extreme
Battle for the kingdom - MM
Spider Multiball - SS
Tommy
Not much mention of Valinor and I'm really suprised by that. Maybe I need to stick some of these in a poll.

Because very few even get to Valinor

#38 10 years ago

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Portal - Tron
Final Battle - The Shadow
Valinor - Lord of the Rings

#39 10 years ago

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Quoted from bigdaddy07:
The updated list with machine names.
Valinor - LOTR
Spider Multiball - SS
Ruler of the universe -AFM
Super Hero -SM
Alien Invasion - Simpsons EDIT - Super Duper Mega Extreme
Vacation Jackpot - White Water
Battle for the kingdom - MM
LITZ - TZ
Final Frontier -STTNG
The Shadow (can't think of the name of its wizard)
Sentenil prime -TF
Sperm Attack - FYG

In my experience "Power Down" (on JM) is MUCH harder to get to than "Final Frontier" and I own both.

#40 10 years ago

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