You forgot to include Twilight Zone

Those listed in the poll are a joke compared to many classic pins, but if you want to talk about the DMD / LCD era exclusively, BSD has them all beat.

the simpsons pinball party. lord of the rings. iron maiden. the walking dead. metallica. all extremely difficult titles to learn and master. TSPP has a 37 page rule set!

mjr

1. Please change title to say "modern pins" so we know you are not trying to compare the last 40 titles to the 100's of interesting pins that came before them.

2. Please express what kind of "hard" you are referring to:
A. Layout (posty lower PFs that brick far too easily: BK3, BoP, TNA, Flash Gordon)
B. Shots (tight shots or hard to make shots: Houdini, Flash Gordon)
C. Rules (wtf do I do??? -- see any modern)
D. Visibility (games where you can't see all of what you are shooting/defending: JJP Pirates, Creature)
E. Flipper Gaps (ghostbusters, 80's Bally/Stern/Gottlieb games)
F. Hungry Outlanes (most EM's until 1977 or so, Barry O 80's games, SR-ball-save-left-outlanes, and many many many others)
G-Z. (many other aspects, but I thought I'd rest here.)

-mof

I want to love this game so much but everytime my ball insta-drains out of the pops I want to scream.

Played BKSOR last night and it was very brutal

Not sure how well this poll gets to the real question... Seems to me you're asking for a good pin to purchase for your lineup, that will be more friendly to new/casual players than your current pins, but will challenge you as well.

I'd say Metallica may be one of the best choices there - easy fun bash toy for noobs, crank it up goals/item collection for deeper play. Plenty to shoot for.

Iron Maiden is another good one. I find it both more inviting and more enjoyable than my TWD for instance. Plenty deep with goals that are achievable yet challenging for many different skill levels.

Rarely do I find either of these games to be frustrating, but they also keep me coming back for more.

The orb on GotG loves to release the ball to the magnet which then throws it down the left outline. I've tried smacking the machine to get the ball off the magnet and it works.... sometimes

Perfect.
Then add that level of definition to your original post to help guide how people respond.
-mof

How is AC/DC not on this list. Outlanes are brutal. Out of pops can be as well.

Having owned every game except Houdini, WOZ and BKSOR, hands down IMO, Star Wars Premium is the toughest on that list.

For a game that only has two flippers the ball seems to want to go side to side often which leads to a lot of drains down the outlines. Shooting the three target bank and Death Star/ Hoth horseshoe send the balls right back at you with either tough bounce backs or a fast/dangerous return that’s always bordering on SDTM.

The timers aren’t layout, but they add to the brutality of the game and force you to shoot the three bank or try and make a difficult shot like the Hyperspace (premium) with very limited time.

Oh, the Hyperspace shot is hard as shit to hit, especially under pressure (layout)

don’t forget TNA

mjr

You can always start a new thread, and reference this one.
mof