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Harbor freight hydraulic cart question

By KornFreak28

8 years ago


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    #1 8 years ago

    Hello,

    Any of you have experience with the Harbor Freight hydraulic 500lb cart? I would like to purchase it since I now have 3 machines and planning to buy more. My question is: Is it safe to lift a heavy machine from the underside of the pin? Will the playwood underneath hold?

    I am planning to change the legs on my Diner. Its a very old machine and I just have concerns about putting all the weight and pressure of the pin on the underside plywood. Not sure if it will hold and I really really don't want to damage the machine. Any ideas or comments are greatly appreciated! Thanks!!!!

    #2 8 years ago

    I've only had a problem one time when the bottom was already falling out of a game. Other than that, I haven't had an issue.

    I've also seen folks use two 2x4's, and even make a wooden adapter so that the adapter fits on the lift and the pin sits on the side walls of the cabinet, rather than the plywood on the bottom.

    #3 8 years ago

    I have moved many games for shows and at my home. At home I use the 500 pound cart, I have a small rug on top of the cart to help prevent any chance of scratching but I have never had any issue with the plywood giving out and I have moved games from front yard to back yard. If the games cabinet is in decent shape I see no problem with using the cart.

    #4 8 years ago

    theres a ton of surface area on that platform for weight distribution. have yet to have an issue and I take my games for a walk every day...

    #5 8 years ago

    I use one all the time, without issue. If you're worried about the strength of the plywood, certain things (like changing legs) can be done by entering from the side of the pin, and letting the sides of the cabinet support the load, rather than the bottom of the cabinet.

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    #6 8 years ago

    See https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/modified-harbor-freight-lift-table. It seems to be one of the most popular solution to move pinballs around. I have one myself and love it - until it started acting out and taking forever to go down. I still use it but need to figure out a way to fine tune it.

    #7 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I've only had a problem one time when the bottom was already falling out of a game. Other than that, I haven't had an issue.
    I've also seen folks use two 2x4's, and even make a wooden adapter so that the adapter fits on the lift and the pin sits on the side walls of the cabinet, rather than the plywood on the bottom.

    Thanks sooo much!

    #8 8 years ago
    Quoted from loren3233:

    I have moved many games for shows and at my home. At home I use the 500 pound cart, I have a small rug on top of the cart to help prevent any chance of scratching but I have never had any issue with the plywood giving out and I have moved games from front yard to back yard. If the games cabinet is in decent shape I see no problem with using the cart.

    That is great to hear! Thank you very much for that info!

    #9 8 years ago
    Quoted from rcbrown316:

    theres a ton of surface area on that platform for weight distribution. have yet to have an issue and I take my games for a walk every day...

    Thanks!

    #10 8 years ago
    Quoted from SuS:

    I use one all the time, without issue. If you're worried about the strength of the plywood, certain things (like changing legs) can be done by entering from the side of the pin, and letting the sides of the cabinet support the load, rather than the bottom of the cabinet.

    Any chance the pin is less stable or unbalanced by entering from the sides?

    #11 8 years ago
    Quoted from lb1:

    See https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/modified-harbor-freight-lift-table. It seems to be one of the most popular solution to move pinballs around. I have one myself and love it - until it started acting out and taking forever to go down. I still use it but need to figure out a way to fine tune it.

    Cool idea!

    #12 8 years ago
    Quoted from loren3233:

    I have moved many games for shows and at my home. At home I use the 500 pound cart, I have a small rug on top of the cart to help prevent any chance of scratching but I have never had any issue with the plywood giving out and I have moved games from front yard to back yard. If the games cabinet is in decent shape I see no problem with using the cart.

    I usually use a large flattened moving box. I get them at home depot.

    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Any chance the pin is less stable or unbalanced by entering from the sides?

    I never lift the pin perpendicular to the cart. However, I imagine it would be fine as long as it's balanced and you don't try to move the pin/cart around too much. But, that method wouldn't be my first choice for lifting up a pin.

    #13 8 years ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Any chance the pin is less stable or unbalanced by entering from the sides?

    Of course there is. I would never do that.

    #14 8 years ago

    I would also add you really should Strap the pin to the cart if you are moving on uneven surfaces, or any distance.
    Magicchiz

    #15 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I usually use a large flattened moving box. I get them at home depot.

    I never lift the pin perpendicular to the cart. However, I imagine it would be fine as long as it's balanced and you don't try to move the pin/cart around too much. But, that method wouldn't be my first choice for lifting up a pin.

    What is a moving box?

    #16 8 years ago
    Quoted from Syco54645:

    Of course there is. I would never do that.

    Yeah, I kind of figured....and I have no one to help me balance it so....

    #17 8 years ago

    Please tell me if this would be OK: Cut a couple of 2x4 or 2x6's, lay them across the cart and pick up the machine and having the 2x6's lift the pin from the sides?

    #18 8 years ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    What is a moving box?

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/The-Home-Depot-18-in-x-18-in-x-24-in-65-lb-Large-Box-1001006/202029359

    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Please tell me if this would be OK: Cut a couple of 2x4 or 2x6's, lay them across the cart and pick up the machine and having the 2x6's lift the pin from the sides?

    Honestly, I haven't found the 2x4's to be necessary unless the bottom of the game is already compromised in some way.

    #19 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/The-Home-Depot-18-in-x-18-in-x-24-in-65-lb-Large-Box-1001006/202029359

    Honestly, I haven't found the 2x4's to be necessary unless the bottom of the game is already compromised in some way.

    Sorry about the moving box question. I didnt know what you used it for. But now I do. Great idea. Thanks!

    #20 8 years ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Any chance the pin is less stable or unbalanced by entering from the sides?

    I move my pins around all the time with my lift from the sides. No problems at all.

    #21 8 years ago

    Ive used mine for years with no problems and it really enables me to set up and take down pins by myself fairly easy. Love it

    #22 8 years ago
    Quoted from bigd1979:

    Ive used mine for years with no problems and it really enables me to set up and take down pins by myself fairly easy. Love it

    You use it from the sides too?

    #23 8 years ago
    Quoted from aztarac:

    I move my pins around all the time with my lift from the sides. No problems at all.

    You do it by yourself? Do you ever have to deal with an unbalanced pin when lifting from the sides? You lift straight in the center?

    #24 8 years ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    You use it from the sides too?

    Sometimes depending on how much room I have but usually I use it on the front or back

    #25 8 years ago

    I slide the cart under the game and lift it up a couple inches. If it's too woobly, it hasn't hit the balance point, so I lower the cart and re-position as needed. Usually, the cart has to go a little past the middle of the cabinet towards the rear since the back end is heavier than the front.

    If I'm dragging the game out of my vehicle, the cardboard helps eliminate friction and helps bridge the small gap between the cart and the vehicle.

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    #26 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    I slide the cart under the game and lift it up a couple inches. If it's too woobly, it hasn't hit the balance point, so I lower the cart and re-position as needed. Usually, the cart has to go a little past the middle of the cabinet towards the rear since the back end is heavier than the front.
    If I'm dragging the game out of my vehicle, the cardboard helps eliminate friction and helps bridge the small gap between the cart and the vehicle.
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    Wow thanks for those pictures! That really helps a lot. I have more confidence now and will buy it today and finally change the old lega on my Diner. Was putting the project on hold but this cart will make life a whole lot easier! Thanks!

    #27 8 years ago

    Meant to say legs sorry

    #28 8 years ago

    I have an older Harbor Freight lift table that has a knob that you turn to lower it. Originally there were some U joints and the knob was mounted to the handle. I took the handle off and threw it in the scrap pile. I attached the knob to the shaft near where the handle was mounted. You don't need the handle. Use the lockdown bar to push and steer. You would just need to figure out a way to mount the motorcycle clutch lever style release to the base somehow so it can't get bumped and drop the table. As mentioned above, put a motorcycle ratchet strap diagonally over the top. Don't crank it down so tight that you bend the side rails. Because the whole thing is very top heavy, be careful on uneven ground that you don't flop it over. I have used mine for moving all kinds of stuff, including a 4 player air hockey table up a ramp into a van box. (Like a Uhaul truck)

    #29 8 years ago

    Keep in mind that the handle will need to be modified in order for it to fit under a pin. lb1 linked to the thread with different ideas.

    I haven't strapped down my pins when moving them on the cart, but it seems like a good idea.

    #30 8 years ago
    Quoted from Starwriter:

    I have an older Harbor Freight lift table that has a knob that you turn to lower it. Originally there were some U joints and the knob was mounted to the handle. I took the handle off and threw it in the scrap pile. I attached the knob to the shaft near where the handle was mounted. You don't need the handle. Use the lockdown bar to push and steer. You would just need to figure out a way to mount the motorcycle clutch lever style release to the base somehow so it can't get bumped and drop the table. As mentioned above, put a motorcycle ratchet strap diagonally over the top. Don't crank it down so tight that you bend the side rails. Because the whole thing is very top heavy, be careful on uneven ground that you don't flop it over. I have used mine for moving all kinds of stuff, including a 4 player air hockey table up a ramp into a van box. (Like a Uhaul truck)

    Wow thanks starwriter! As always, you are very helpful. Appreciate it!

    #31 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Keep in mind that the handle will need to be modified in order for it to fit under a pin. lb1 linked to the thread with different ideas.
    I haven't strapped down my pins when moving them on the cart, but it seems like a good idea.

    I thought about cutting the handle down but I also need this cart to move stuff around the house and cutting the handle is not a good idea I guess. My plan is to just lay the handle on the ground while I change the legs. If I ever have to move a pin then I will have to figure it out or just cut the handle down a bit. Thanks!

    #32 8 years ago

    I spent the extra money for the 1000 lb table. It gives a larger plate for the pin to sit on. I come in angled from the side to have as much surface area of the lift table plate touching the underside of the cab. I have it go all the way to the sides. I also lay a moving blanket on the lift table plate to prevent scratches. Finding the balance point toward the back box of the machine is important.

    I'm probably over cautious and of course it costs more money, but gives me peace of mind

    #33 8 years ago

    I use mine too. Works well. The only annoying thing is the handle bar that you have to remove and hold on to as the release is connected to it, otherwise it is directly in the way.

    #34 8 years ago
    Quoted from sadler28:

    I spent the extra money for the 1000 lb table. It gives a larger plate for the pin to sit on. I come in angled from the side to have as much surface area of the lift table plate touching the underside of the cab. I have it go all the way to the sides. I also lay a moving blanket on the lift table plate to prevent scratches. Finding the balance point toward the back box of the machine is important.
    I'm probably over cautious and of course it costs more money, but gives me peace of mind

    Keep in mind that the 1000lb table weighs a bit more than the 500lb table.

    I put my 500lb table in my vehicle all the time. It weighs about 100lbs, so I can pick it up off the ground without too much trouble. The 1000lb lift cart weighs 160lbs.

    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    I thought about cutting the handle down but I also need this cart to move stuff around the house and cutting the handle is not a good idea I guess. My plan is to just lay the handle on the ground while I change the legs. If I ever have to move a pin then I will have to figure it out or just cut the handle down a bit. Thanks!

    I used the flag pole hinge method. There are also various hinge and angled methods you can use. I wouldn't recommend cutting the handle down, since you then would not be able to reach it while the pin was on the cart.

    #35 8 years ago

    All very valid points! Will definately try the flag pole method. For now I will just lay the handle on the ground.

    Just to make absolutely sure: What would classify an underside/belly of a pin to be "compromised"? I mean this Diner machine is very old but I sort of gave the underside a few whacks with my hand and it feels sturdy. But have no idea how it will behave once I put all that weight on it. I imagine it will hold just fine. Will lift little by little and make sure I don't hear any cracks on the wood. If I do I will set it back down immediately.

    #36 8 years ago

    The way the bottom is mortised into the cabinet, for it to fail in the upward direction, the cabinet corners would have to split apart a long ways. The cabinet would have to be really rickedy for that to happen. If the cabinet corners are solid and the vertical board behind the coinbox is intact, I wouldn't worry about it.

    #37 8 years ago
    Quoted from Starwriter:

    The way the bottom is mortised into the cabinet, for it to fail in the upward direction, the cabinet corners would have to split apart a long ways. The cabinet would have to be really rickedy for that to happen. If the cabinet corners are solid and the vertical board behind the coinbox is intact, I wouldn't worry about it.

    Perfect! Thank you very much starwriter.

    #38 8 years ago

    Glad to help out.

    #39 8 years ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    All very valid points! Will definately try the flag pole method. For now I will just lay the handle on the ground.
    Just to make absolutely sure: What would classify an underside/belly of a pin to be "compromised"? I mean this Diner machine is very old but I sort of gave the underside a few whacks with my hand and it feels sturdy. But have no idea how it will behave once I put all that weight on it. I imagine it will hold just fine. Will lift little by little and make sure I don't hear any cracks on the wood. If I do I will set it back down immediately.

    Basically, if the bottom panel is rotten, if the bottom is falling out, or the cabinet is coming apart.

    I've only picked up one game so far where the bottom panel was significantly compromised in some way--either because of dampness or direct water damage.

    #40 8 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Basically, if the bottom panel is rotten, if the bottom is falling out, or the cabinet is coming apart.
    I've only picked up one game so far where the bottom panel was significantly compromised in some way--either because of dampness or direct water damage.

    Thank you very much! Feel much better now. She will hold!

    #41 8 years ago

    Will post pics of my Diner before and after with new black legs and red leg protectors.

    #42 8 years ago

    The only issue I had is my wheels got flat spots in them, I ASSume from sitting around for awhile without being used. Nothing heavy was stored on top of it during this time; which is very confusing. No one else has had this problem so probably nothing to worry aboot.

    #43 8 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    The only issue I had is my wheels got flat spots in them, I ASSume from sitting around for awhile without being used. Nothing heavy was stored on top of it during this time; which is very confusing. No one else has had this problem so probably nothing to worry aboot.

    Wow that is very confusing.

    #44 8 years ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    The only issue I had is my wheels got flat spots in them, I ASSume from sitting around for awhile without being used. Nothing heavy was stored on top of it during this time; which is very confusing. No one else has had this problem so probably nothing to worry aboot.

    I have a couple of flat spots on the wheels from being dragged while the the wheel locks were on

    They still work fine, though.

    #45 8 years ago

    It's a great tool to have... and there is no need for the 1/2 ton version, it just makes transporting the cart more cumbersome than it needs to be. I've found no reason to expand the surface of the cart.... has worked great for me for games of all sizes. I just glued down the mat it comes with, and the surface is now non-slip.

    Before I modified the handle to bend, I would simply take the handle out and lay it underneath for transport, it was a very minor inconvenience vs the benefit. It's a perfect height to use for installing legs, and in fact I usually move games with the legs on to avoid any risk of tilting over the game. In fact can't think of a time where a game was at risk unless I was tilting it to get up a step... with legs on one person can get it up and down steps safely but without legs you will want to play it safer with a second person. It is top heavy with a game at full height on the cart, which is why I put legs on first.

    #46 8 years ago

    Well it was a success! The cart is great and the pin held out great! Thank you all for your input. Here is a pic of the difference between black leg and chrome leg. It looks so much bettee with black. The cart works great! Thanks!

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    #47 8 years ago

    Btw, left the handle on the ground and even moved the pin and I had no issues. Thanks!

    #48 8 years ago

    Here is what I did/made up, it supports all of the weight evenly, ends and middle, and is pretty stable...

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    #49 8 years ago
    Quoted from TheMickster:

    Here is what I did/made up, it supports all of the weight evenly, ends and middle, and is pretty stable...

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    Nice! Are they screwed onto the cart?

    #50 8 years ago

    Yes, this is what I did....quick and easy..

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