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Hand riveting ramp flaps, technique advice?

By EvanDickson

8 years ago


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    #1 8 years ago

    From another thread on here, my understanding is that you can use a hand riveting tool and supplies from your friendly neighborhood hardware store to reattach ramp flaps. I've picked up a Dewalt rivet tool and some 1/8" rivets. I'm practicing on this switch because it has one side open so I don't have to drill out the results. What I'm seeing so far is way too much material left after the river pops. Is my tool inadequate, or am I just doing it wrong? (Heheh)

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    #2 8 years ago

    Nope. Totally wrong type of rivets. Correct ones have no pin and require special dies or a press to fasten. Gonna spend $$ getting the tools you need. There's several members who have the correct setup perhaps one will chime in and offer to do the work for you.

    Edit- here's a member who's used the correct rivets. https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/my-mustang-pro-mods-so-far/page/2#post-1606274

    #3 8 years ago

    You can mail it to me and I will rivet for no charge.

    #4 8 years ago

    ^ there you go.

    #5 8 years ago
    Quoted from sed6:

    ^ there you go.

    Yep, you want one of these.....image.jpgimage.jpg

    #7 8 years ago
    Quoted from centerflank:

    Yep, you want one of these.....image.jpg

    So expensive. After currency conversion, postage, customs fees, taxes, that will be like $350.

    I def want a gum machine full of pinballs though

    #8 8 years ago
    Quoted from centerflank:

    You can mail it to me and I will rivet for no charge.

    Thanks for the offer, Centerflank, that is awesome! I will decline, because the postage and customs fees back and forth across the border will likely run me a couple hundred bucks. But that's really cool of you, so thanks very much anyways!

    Probably that c-clamp type tool is the best way to to. Or the arbor press plus conversion kit. I'll do some research on each of those this morning.

    #9 8 years ago

    Go with this style IMO. I have the PinRestore press and it's good, but don't think it's some outstanding upgrade over a cheap clamp. It's still based around a cheap Harbor Freight press and the dies don't line up 100% on mine. Does the job but it's not like moving from a cheapo crimper to the top end crimper then suddenly everything is amazing.

    #10 8 years ago

    Try the following URL for some quality hand rivet squeezers from Hanson Rivet.

    http://www.hansonrivet.com/hand-rivet-squeezers.htm

    I purchased the following tool from Action Pinball in May of 2012 and have used it a handful of times and it works very well.

    http://www.actionpinball.com/parts.php?item=RIVSET1

    I don't think you can go too wrong with either tool, but if you hunt around you may likely find a less expensive rivet tool option that will also work for your needs.

    Gord

    #11 8 years ago

    I love tools, I own far more than I will ever need. But if you are only going to be doing a few rivets you can just form the rivets by hand with a hammer and drift.

    You don't need to buy any special tool (or premade rivet for that matter).

    Take a look at this site and you will see some simple hammer power to form the rivet.

    http://www.pinrestore.com/Riveting.html

    But you don't need to even buy this tool. You can just do it with a standard drift. It might not look as perfect as specially tool would make, but I don't think anyone would ever notice.

    Ideally, you will be able to find the correct rivets, that will make you life much easier.

    But, you can make rivet with any random piece of metal rod stock that will deform when hammered (not so hard that it will crack). Form a head on the rod with a hammer, cut the rivet off to the right length and peen the rivet head over on the other side with a hammer, DIY rivet. You can also find a nail with a right size head on it and cut it off and use it as a ready made rivet. The rivet does not need to a have a hollow tube on the back side, just hammer the end so it is upset (you are doing on a smaller scale what old riveters did when they constructed a building using riveted steel beams.)

    The correct tools and pre-made rivets will make the job go much quicker, but if you are only doing a few it will probably take you less time to just use common tools and material compared to finding and ordering specially items that you will use only a few times.

    #12 8 years ago

    I ended up ordering this guy, http://tubularrivetclincher.yolasite.com/#!/Schwinn-Tool-245/p/27844142/category=2355765

    It comes with a shank set for 1/8", so I don't have to order separately. It's geared, rather hammer / compression, so I have more precise control and therefore am less likely to crack my ramps. And also the price is right. And also also, it will store a little easier than a press.

    I'll report back when I've used it, thanks for the help.

    Maybe I'll collect instructions / photos from people for all the different methods and make an 'ultimate rivetting' thread.

    E

    #13 8 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    I ended up ordering this guy, http://tubularrivetclincher.yolasite.com/#!/Schwinn-Tool-245/p/27844142/category=2355765
    It comes with a shank set for 1/8", so I don't have to order separately. It's geared, rather hammer / compression, so I have more precise control and therefore am less likely to crack my ramps. And also the price is right. And also also, it will store a little easier than a press.
    I'll report back when I've used it, thanks for the help.
    Maybe I'll collect instructions / photos from people for all the different methods and make an 'ultimate rivetting' thread.
    E

    Where did you end up purchasing it from, on the website says they are out of stock ?

    #14 8 years ago
    Quoted from pin-tastic:

    Where did you end up purchasing it from, on the website says they are out of stock ?

    I must have got the last one. When I bought it, there was an "add to bag" button, which is now replaced by the "out of stock" label. They still have some of the larger tools in stock - same price.

    #15 8 years ago
    Quoted from pin-tastic:

    Where did you end up purchasing it from, on the website says they are out of stock ?

    I think that guy custom makes all those by hand...I'd shoot them an email.

    #16 8 years ago

    I redid my theatre of magic ones with the hammer method. Worked great once I figured out what the hell I was doing.

    3 weeks later
    #17 8 years ago

    Well, it's been a month (well, 4 weeks). I still haven't received the tool, or even a shipping confirmation. I tried to contact seller by email a couple of times, and received no reply. The website has been taken down.

    I went to Paypal to ask them to reverse the payment, and it turns out that paypal has a "negotiate with seller" step before you can dispute a payment. Not sure how that's supposed to work, when the seller seems to be gone. :p I really want to just end this obviously failed purchase so I can order a different tool and paypal is being touchy feely. Grr.

    1 week later
    #18 8 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    Well, it's been a month (well, 4 weeks). I still haven't received the tool, or even a shipping confirmation. I tried to contact seller by email a couple of times, and received no reply. The website has been taken down.

    Website still works for me. They did take a while to get me mine--I think they custom make each one. There is a phone number there as well

    #19 8 years ago

    This is active now on ebay. I purchased one five years ago and use it more than the fancy press version from pinrestore.arivit.jpgarivit.jpg

    #20 8 years ago
    Quoted from Wickerman2:

    Website still works for me. They did take a while to get me mine--I think they custom make each one. There is a phone number there as well

    Does seem to be back now. It was down for at least a week. I had no phone # since the web site was down and the auto email from the purchase did not include phone #. Either way, it's been over a week since I filed the dispute with Paypal and he's not responding to that either.

    Quoted from pindel:

    This is active now on ebay. I purchased one five years ago and use it more than the fancy press version from pinrestore.arivit.jpg

    That one's not listed today

    #21 8 years ago

    Pinbits pressless kit is back in stock! I'll need a second set of hands to use it, but it will store in a matchbox (or a matchbox-sized space) when I don't need it, which is pretty sweet.

    #22 8 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    Does seem to be back now. It was down for at least a week. I had no phone # since the web site was down and the auto email from the purchase did not include phone #. Either way, it's been over a week since I filed the dispute with Paypal and he's not responding to that either.

    That one's not listed today

    I would expect another one listed soon. I seems it's relisted about a week or less after each sale

    #23 8 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    Pinbits pressless kit is back in stock!

    Although convenient the pressless rivets can loosen up over time and in some cases the rivet (since it has to be longer to put the washer on) won't fit under the ramp. I'm not saying not to use them, just recognize they're not as good a solution as a tubular rivet.

    #24 8 years ago

    The Gameroom collectibles GRC guys did a tech video on rivets. I have no experience myself but remember Ray saying some of the special tools sold suck and no arbor press was used. Check there videos out on you tube some good stuff.

    #25 8 years ago
    Quoted from pindel:

    I would expect another one listed soon. I seems it's relisted about a week or less after each sale

    Yes! There it is! Got it! Thanks for the tip.

    #27 8 years ago

    The tool in the above video is available at pinrestore.com for $28. Probably the most difficult thing is to determine the proper length rivet to use. Pin Restore also sells a decent rivet "Starter Kit" for $30 which includes washers for use when the rivet rolled over ends will be against plastic. In my video above, I demonstrate with plated steel rivets. Note that Pin Restore rivets are plated brass and will roll over with less force.

    http://www.pinrestore.com/Riveting.html

    #28 8 years ago

    that vid does not show the other side of the rivet, most likely have a flat spot from the vice

    #29 8 years ago
    Quoted from skywalker:

    that vid does not show the other side of the rivet, most likely have a flat spot from the vice

    I have read that a soft block of wood will work if you do not have the concave tool (rivet head tool) that was not used in the video.

    #30 8 years ago

    Here is some more info on riveting that may be helpful:

    http://home.earthlink.net/~billg4me/pinball/rivet/

    #31 8 years ago
    Quoted from skywalker:

    that vid does not show the other side of the rivet, most likely have a flat spot from the vice

    I use steel rivets and yes if you look close you could tell it was impacted by a flat surface. Expect the brass ones would show more. A piece of hardwood wood soften it.

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    #32 8 years ago
    Quoted from pindel:

    This is active now on ebay. I purchased one five years ago and use it more than the fancy press version from pinrestore.arivit.jpg

    It arrived. I'm trying to practice, and falling miserably. How did you avoid the tool arm moving because of the thread play, and the rivet twisting out sideways?

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    #33 8 years ago

    Once you have everything in place and tighten it a little it should stay aligned better (just guessing). It does not seem as well made as the third-hand rivet tool, which sadly is no longer available.

    #34 8 years ago
    Quoted from EvanDickson:

    It arrived. I'm trying to practice, and falling miserably. How did you avoid the tool arm moving because of the thread play, and the rivet twisting out sideways?
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    Hard to tell specifically from your photo, but is that rivet sitting on the table a solid core rivet? No way you can crimp a solid core rivet. Rivets to be used should be the semi-tubular type....or am I missing something?

    #35 8 years ago
    Quoted from Freeplay40:

    Hard to tell specifically from your photo, but is that rivet sitting on the table a solid core rivet? No way you can crimp a solid core rivet. Rivets to be used should be the semi-tubular type....or am I missing something?

    Yeah, it's semi tubular. I picked up the master rivet kit from pinrestore.

    #36 8 years ago

    At one point I think pinrestore.com was looking at something similar to the third-hand rivet tool, but I don't know what happened. Maybe shoot them an email.

    #37 8 years ago

    Got 'er. See the problem was that I was trying to practice so as not to f$#k up when I actually used the tool on my ramps. But the support of the hole I punched in a piece of cardboard is not enough. The support of a real hole in solid plastic is though.

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