Jeff, where are your stats coming from? Where is your evidence? Most of the guys I've seen selling just don't like the outlook of the game.

Most are losing money on presales, not games. Take a look at stranger things. It was in the same place when it came out.

I truly hope that all of you impatient buyers start investing in stocks, following them daily. You'll get slayed your first year and earn some of the best wisdom that you can: Patience fucking pays.

There truly is a lesson here. Stay the course. Inquire and learn. Most of all, Chillax.

Where are your stats coming from? Where's your evidence? We're both just offering opinions, relax... FFS...

While we're on opinions, that's a load of BS, "just don't like the outlook of the game"...??? As if anyone can make that judgement this early into production...

Jeff

I'll add some perspective here. I briefly listed my spot on a local forum (not pinside). Took it down after a few days though. My only reason: I am REALLY out of space, my build is up soon, and I already have an Ultraman. I don't really have intention of selling this game, nor will I ever take a loss on it if I did. I'm delaying the build instead.

Too much overblown negativity right now. My experience with Ultraman so far, by contrast, has been great. Really enjoying the latest code. Things are headed in the right direction.

What about waiting for delivery of the actual game, playing it ( ) and then deciding for themselves if they like the ACTUAL game rather than the "outlook" of the game?

Having said that the term "outlook" is often used by commodity/share/crypto traders and speculators, so it's probably a pretty good description of whats going on here. This hobby has changed from "I buy pinball machines to play and have fun" to "I buy pinball machines due to FOMO, to make money and to impress my friends .... I dont know if its fun or not because I dont really play it and since I dont know if its fun or not I need to listen to a podcast to decide for me."

As far as hobbies go, pinball has always been dirt cheap even when you factor in an occasional loss on the sale of a game. These days it's ridiculously cheap. Most of the whingers in these threads are sitting on collections worth 2-3 times what they paid for them and they are losing their minds over losing a $2K deposit on one game.

Alot of the panic crowd have also been besotted by the next game that has released since they commited to HWN/UM. Rush? CCR? GZ?

Man you are not wrong when it comes to the first year in the market. I’m ending my first year and wow these lessons are expensive

My distributor, PinballSTAR wrote me today, asking if I wanted butter on my Halloween cabinet. it’s $1000.

What do you all think? Is it worth it?

Not springing for the butter is literally my only regret about Halloween. The decals look great, but the art is so damn good that as a huge fan of the theme, I should have gone for the best. I would say if you are a big fan, and consider it a bit of a showpiece in your collection, go for it. If it's "just another machine" for you, and it will just be shoved in the middle of a line up anyway, maybe not.

YOU SOLD ME.

I’m in the same boat… I think I decided against it. If you damage or scrape the cab it’s not fixable… due to it being clear coated. But they’re beautiful cabinets.

I can't wait to get my CE, still going to be awhile for me...How's the new code?

I have no kids, which is why I have money to buy pinball machines, haha. Not worried about it getting scratched.

Give it six months, it’s almost acceptable at the moment.

The funny thing is - while I have kids all the darn scratches are from me moving or working on them. The problem is me! Oh yeah, and I went with non-butter because of that and they're all lined up. Enjoy whatever works best for you! Still a great game.

I went non-butter for a couple reasons. For one, it's going to be in a line up. An old timer collector once said to me "you don't play the cabinet". For some reason that always stuck in my head. The other reason was to put 1K towards CCr SE. I wouldn't pay 1250 for a topper either. My line-up will be as diverse as I could make it in a 4 game collection. Wild west, Horror, Sci-Fi, Medieval. MMr, CCr, AFMr, HWN. Then I'm out of room.

I had a CE that I traded already and I’m going to get a later build - I’m thinking of going butter due to the way the decals were installed - poorly installed, overlapped the corners, and were already peeling

Jediturtle is spot on again (really liked your recent summary of this game). As a halloween fanatic and someone that has always been against butter cabinets, I couldn't be more wrong in this situation. Which is why I went with butter on mine and I have zero regrets. For me this game is more than just pinball - it's an art showcase. The decals imo look worse than Spooky's other games. I have a Rick and Morty and those decals seem to pop more than the decals I saw at Halloween at my local place (Helicon). If it's just another machine for you though, def skip it. Not worth it.

These are all the assholes who bought to flip or had huge FOMO. I hope everyone of them are stuck with the game or lose money.

I went butter because my game is on the end of my lineup and its very visible. I personally think that Halloween has the nicest art package of any modern game and I wanted to present it as a pinball machine and a piece of art.

I wouldn't lump everyone together. There are definitely some with legit reasons. Priorities change, things come up, etc. That's understandable. I even cut some slack to those that ordered (out of FOMO or just plain love of the theme or company), but change their mind after getting to actually play one. Not every game is for every person, and when machines are selling out before anyone can play them, I can see why people worry about missing out. Heck, I took that gamble myself. Thankfully I love the game, so it worked out for me, but I can see how people would want to get out of a preorder if they do not like it after finally playing it.

I do have to agree that I don't mind seeing the speculators/flippers get burned though.

Man, all this butter vs. non-butter has me rethinking my 'no butter' leaning.

For the first time in my collector journey. I have FOMO for Butter…..

I've had my game for about 3 months now and really enjoy it. Like every other game that I've purchased NIB (way too many) there are small issues, but it's this way from every manufacturer.

Jumping on the bandwagon to bag on the code (which isn't bad) is somewhat unfair. The code development evolution goes this way from all the manufacturers. At least Spooky will listen and make adjustments based on feedback. The others (Stern/JJP) can give two craps about your gripes.

People also need to get off the LE freight train! THERE'S NOTHING LIMITED ABOUT 1000 MACHINES! For the ones that pay 4-5k over MSRP...that's stupid! Yes, I know people can spend whatever they want for something, but dear god, have some value for the dollar you've earned! These titles aren't truly limited at 1000, this is the big COVID cash grab of 2021, so get off the hype trains and chill out!

I'm also aware that this is a 10k toy, but when a company backs a product like this company does, give that some value also. The other guys give you so little in this department in comparison.

Munsters literally just got the code the game deserves, sometimes it takes years.

Well, it is limited to 1,000 (or 1,250 I guess because everyone could have ordered LEs)

I knew when I bought the game that it was very early code, and that it would probably take at least a year, if not longer, to get to something resembling the final code. And to me that kind of interesting, seeing the progression of the code and getting to play each version. I probably would have started at version 0.80 and worked up to a "we think we're done" version 1.00 instead of starting there but it's just a number.

This is not true. I’ve given lots of code suggestions to Stern that made it into code updates. Sure they’re not going to implement every idea (sorry, some just might not be actually good) …but they listen to players & will implement good ideas.

This entire outlook is entirely predicated on the concept of being able to drop 6000-12000 on games when they launch....which is anything but "cheap." I don't agree with the general mindset that seems to be going around with UM/HW, but this is a silly take.

Pinball is expensive, always has been. 13 years ago, I could buy 10+ console games...... or one project beater Space Shuttle for 500 bucks. And I guarantee you I put more hours into a 50 buck RPG than I have on just about any pinball machine I've ever owned aside from Tron or Metallica. There's also zero maintenance cost on video games, movies, etc. The cost for an hour of pinball entertainment in your home is *ludicrously high* compared to just about anything else other than cars, boats, and luxury watch collecting. ~_~

In Germany we wait and wait and wait…. I thing the first come to Halloween

I thought the run was 1250 total for both Halloween and Ultraman?? 750-Halloween 500-Ultraman

Nope. 1250 Ween & 500 Ultra.

Gotcha. thanks.

I’m really glad I was able to see both the butter Vs non-butter side by side or I would be FOMO about the butter based on the comments here in the thread.

Now if the decals are not installed correctly that’s a whole different issue!

#shooterrodgatedebunked

Looks great on #56. Thanks Spooky

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That's not a good abbreviation, already taken. Just use HWN.

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Has anyone started writing a comprehensive rule sheet for this game yet?

Ironically, all this sh*t posting about HWN/UM has me even more excited to finally get my game.

Just finished Halloween Kills. Damn. Just…damn.

I’m jonesing for this pin now.

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Nice. My family and I plan to watch the original on the projector this weekend before ours comes home next week.

Is that cabinet a butterbox? It looks great.

Balls not getting out of the trough getting a little annoying. Play a couple games and it seems fine. Then balls struggle to make it out into the shooter lane. All trough switches including the opto test fine. Even cleaned the optos with a lens wipe, no change. Don’t know if it’s an alignment issue where balls drain and don’t roll all the way forward or something? If it does it during sanitarium mode, if the balls don’t come out after a couple of attempts, the game counts it as a drain and goes to the next ball until the game is over. I would reseat the trough switch connectors if I had a switch matrix to tell me which connector is which. If it goes through this the Skillshot screen just overlays everything behind it. I didn’t have any of this happening when I had 1.04. I don’t know if it’s coincidence or not.

Anyone get shipment notification this week and if so what number were you?

Dug? More like BUG haha

Check if one or two of your pinballs have become magnetic.

Pop them out, pop them on the glass/lockbar of the neighbouring machine. Move them left/right and see if any stick.

I’ve been getting a bunch of balls going magnetic recently. Stops them rolling down the trough. Very annoying.

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Yep, it's on the way and #217.

Jeff

Is the game trying to eject and failing or not trying to eject at all? Is this happening randomly or during a specific mode? Since this seemed to happen after a code update, I might try a reinstall of your 1.05 code. What's happening is not normal. There is something wrong, so we just need to figure out what that something is. You can also call the service line on Monday.

PS: The switches are all labeled in the test menu. The trough is on Switch Bank 2. If it's working in the test menu, I wouldn't expect that to be the issue.

Yes. All buttered up

The eject plunger is firing but sometimes the ball won’t make it up the shoot. It will try so many times and then just show the end of ball bonus screen, count as a drain and go to the next ball. It’s intermittent. Sometimes I’ll play a whole game and it won’t happen. If it happens on a ball save the game gives up after 3 or 4 tries to get the ball out and on to the next ball. Try 3 or 4 times and then it’s game over. I’m starting to wonder if the black foam is positioned too close to the edge of the hole? Hangs up on that and falls back down? I was considering just removing it and replacing it with a piece of mylar just to keep that spot from damage.

Unfortunately, having some issues at the power plant that will keep me from being to mess with it for about a week.

I thought reseating the connectors for all the trough switches might help since I had an intermittent right flipper issue where the right flipper wouldn't work at all then start working again after a reboot. Reseated the connector I was able to trace out and the problem never came back. See my previous post for a full explanation of that issue. I don’t know if a software problem could present intermittently or not but it can’t hurt to try.