Under play field looks impressive, with lots of mechs and magic.
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I know how to get the JJP GNR experience at a discount:

Enthusiastically wave an LED flashlight in front of your face, while listening to GNR “Not in this Lifetime” tour CD.

Total cost: $19.95

Priceless: Kaneda apologizing to....Kaneda...

Understood that to mean, masters of concert recorded songs, not originally recorded masters/songs. Would make sense, as the original recordings would have a great deal of record label red tape that would prohibit 21 songs in full being used in the machine. Record labels would not go for that, judging by the past, since they own the original recorded music from the 80s.

Bands are free to use their own music recorded during concerts or re-recorded sessions. Those masters are free to use.

Remove the lights from this game and what do you have left? $12,5k for lights? Disappointed there is not a lot to shoot at and no interesting ball mech interaction, because there are no real motorized interactive mechs on the PF.

It is a tough game to stream and get people excited, with the lack of interesting pinball mechanics. If one likes loads of multi-balls and listening to music with tons of lights, this one is for you. Real pinball enthusiast, check before entering, lol.

Kevin at Buffalo Pinball, is doing a good job streaming this game. Grats to JJP selling out 500 CEs!

You’re so right. Reason there is nothing but multiballs is because there is not much else in the game. Programmers didn’t have much else for players to do, except go from multiball to multiball. Can see tons of people cancelling CE orders and waiting to play later on location. HUO, multiballs become monotonous big time. Problem with any band no matter how good the music, listening burnout happens and you don’t want to hear the songs for a good long while later. That’s what makes games that focus on modes and mech interaction always have us pushing the button for one more magical kinetic play.

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Imo, POTC is a superior game in every way, because of so many modes and mechs working all over the playfield. Lots more to shoot at. That cannon shot still is exciting!

Elwin being more than a rock pin designer, knows as a player first and foremost what all of us are really looking for in play mechanics. IMDN is still hard to beat in the music genre. I’ll give credit to GNR on light shows however. If lights are your thing GNR is the one to get.

What part of constructive discussion on a $12,500.00 purchase is difficult for your magic 8 ball to understand? Lol. How is that hate???

Don’t be disheartened my friend. This forum is all about discussing positives and negatives of every game made. Since none of us are the manufacturer of any of these games, no reason to be upset. And no, there is a reason most games are not Multiball heavy. MBs come into play for the most part as a reward for completing certain tasks. Over doing it, always ends in chaotic monotonous game play and objectives become lost. Some are fun, but many years of pinball history have shown us, the best games don’t rely on heavy MBs to be fun.

POTC is a completely different game and as I already stated, superior in every way (imo) to GNR. JJP BOM appears to have been a great deal better on POTC and therefore it was loaded with fun interesting interactive mechs and modes.

Not ridiculous at all, after watching lots of GNR gameplay streams. Having played a lot of POTC and lots of pinball in general, it is easy to get a feel for a game prior to playing, hence the reason so many companies rely on streaming for people to assess whether to order a game or not. Of course opinions on whether POTC is superior or not is up to the individual and if you don’t think it is, I can respect that. (I would hope you’re not intending to disrespect my opinion on POTC, by your “ridiculous comment” wording.)

Since so many are declaring the obvious, that there are no mechs/toys in GNR, Kman’s new crazy marketing angle is: “the whole game is the mech”???

Lol, so no company needs to put mechs/toys in their games any longer, by just declaring, games like GNR that only have a couple of ramps and pop bumpers, with a scoop, is the mech?

...we are living in new looney pinball times, if that’s the case. Lol

Kman has lost the plot in his bid for a job at JJP.

(Good job Slash, getting Paul to sign off on using one of his songs, as a GNR cover song.) The light show is amazing on that song!

After listening to The Pinball Show episode #33, think Dennis Kriesel nailed his review of GNR and nailed Zack’s hide on his GNR assessment.

Imo, Dennis is definitely the more pinball savy guru in pinball than Zach’s ideas of what makes pinball. If we are talking about pinball execution and flow, with all the geometry needed to make a great pinball machine, Dennis’s assessment on GNR is right on the money. Zach’s retorts don’t hold water and all he could say to counter Dennis is he hasn’t played it yet??? Tisk tisk... In addition, Zach showed almost no class in putting down each good point Dennis was making, with his inserted, “wrong” audio clip. Dennis far out classes Zach in a debate about pinball, with his superior knowledge and understanding.

No one has to play a game to discover from a stream or viewing the layout, whether it works as a good pinball machine or not. Can see straight away from just looking at Houdini’s layout for example, that the shots are really tight and the geometry is not so good.

I trust Dennis to give a fair and objective review. Zach on the other hand, with his bias sales/shill glasses constantly on, not so much. What Dennis and other top pinball players have had to say about GNR not being a very good playing game or being very multiball heavy makes sense. But do not argue that GNR has plenty of theme assets. If all it takes to make one happy in a $12.5k purchase is plenty of lights, with some concert footage on the back box, along with a ball lock or two, that person may be pretty easy to please, imo. But a really good playing pinball machine???? Agree with Dennis on that one: GNR doesn’t appear to be a fun shooter when it comes to real pinball game flow combos, with real objectives to be accomplished, besides just getting a song to play, with multiball after multiball to keep the song going over and over again.

Looks monotonous just like the stream we saw from Buffalo Pinball, like chopping wood. Although Kevin did a good job with what he had. I do appreciate Zach’s effort in pinball media although. Maybe if he just turned down the GNR hype train a bit, as he’s beginning to sound a lot like Kaneda. Dennis is the only reason The Pinball Show stays somewhat credible. Nate Shivers he’ll never be, lol. If you haven’t heard the episode, give it a listen.

Nice GNR presentation at Expo 2020 today. Good job team JJP!

I watched it here, at the expo site.

https://www.twitch.tv/pinballexpo

Fun to see Slash at the factory too!