Quoted from woody76:

They are in the top 10-15 greatest bands of all time. Right up there with ACDC, Metallica, Aerosmith, Iron Maiden. All these were successful for Stern so why would GNR not make a great pin?

Quoted from donkadelic:

I would be 100% on board on this as I'm a huge fan of Erik and love JJP production, in the market for something new but one issue....
I fucking hate gnr....sorry
People love to talk about how theme sells game but fact is, hyper specialized whiny spandex wearing 80s rock bands have literally kept me from buying both maiden and now this. I know I'm not the only one.
How about any other genre of music other than rock...why do these things always have to be so white...

Quoted from Hazoff:

wow.

Quoted from VALIS666:

Holy shit, flickering Zippo or Bic lighter-looking LEDs would be brilliant. Someone give this man a job.

Quoted from N80G80:

And here come the clear coat issues....again
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Quoted from alveolus:

Ha! I did this on my AC/DC!

Quoted from alveolus:

So kind!
Have you seen my dancing Caddyshack gopher topper on my NGG?

Quoted from Zablon:

That is awesome! Don't suppose you'd want to a start a thread on how we can do this?

Quoted from fooflighter:

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Quoted from wesman:

Uh, I openly said I'm not a great player, but any game needs at least one nice, smooth, accessible shot I feel.
I've played the game max, 10 times so far.
I saw you mention playing the game for 7-8 hours at the Cointaker event. I read that, and your oodles of repeated enthusiasm, and never once publicly questioned anything about your optimistic views or skills.
For me, it's a game, and a game I waited 18 months for to come out, my friend and I both. I hoped for this game more than any film, video game, etc to be something I'd absolutely adore in that time period. So far, it hasn't been that for me, and well....not because of my lofty expectations, but more so because I weigh my lofty expectations with such a discerning eye.
I don't know you, your skills, your level of discernment, so I wouldn't question your skills or enthusiasm. I'm glad for anyone that's blown away by this or any game, and I don't need to convince others that a game is or isn't amazing just to reassure myself in my beliefs. (Hence why I'm very quiet, yet still affirming on the R&M thread, as I was once a potential owner.)
For me, as an avid JJP, pinball, Eric, hell...even a decent GnR fan, the game itself doesn't feel fun to shoot. And well, I'd like to say that I'm okay feeling that, (in ways I'm not) but yeah...I'll get over it.

I don't believe I said that. I did say I feel there's a lot of real estate taken up in the game, from that, the guitar and bass necks that otherwise prevent some more open gameplay being possible or shot design being opened up.
I sadly, refuse to talk myself into this or any game being an amazing shooter, when I don't feel it is, no matter how much I'd like it to be.

Quoted from PtownPin:

I sold my IMDN LE because the music was so painful ! Great game...shitty music...we all have different tastes....although I do agree Sabbath would be a good license for a pin.

Quoted from Eskaybee:

Jack Black is a pinball fan too. Maybe he can pull a slash and co-design with Eric. Would be epic!

Quoted from cooked71:

Cracked me up. Something surreal about watching french guys screaming and rocking out to a GNR pin over the internet.

Quoted from screaminr:

I love how gives you one minute to choose the song you want , just enough time to run to the fridge and grab a beer

Quoted from chuckwurt:

I think they wanted to show off the new switches. It does a great job of doing that especially with how they coded the skill/super skill recognition. It’s a good plunge. I welcome it. Also hearing people cry about how hard it is to control the plunge is hilarious.

Quoted from Mr68:

Here's my suggestion if you don't like the wimpy feel of the skillshot. Instead of plunging the ball, hit the shooter knob with the palm of your hand and develop that technique. Or use both methods and change it up on occasion.
Just for fun I'll name the options, Opioid Axl vs the Slash Bash.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

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Quoted from Tranquilize:

meh

Quoted from Mr68:

Needs a Pinbar. (tm)

Quoted from JY64:

No this is more your style "I’ve got another idea for a reality show.Levi & his pal Reginald are truck drivers,like BJ and the bear.Will one day they drive thru town straight into a large group of African American protesters........" https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whos-angry-live-pd-was-canceled?tu=romulusx

Quoted from JY64:

No this is more your style "I’ve got another idea for a reality show.Levi & his pal Reginald are truck drivers,like BJ and the bear.Will one day they drive thru town straight into a large group of African American protesters........" https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/whos-angry-live-pd-was-canceled?tu=romulusx

Quoted from chuckwurt:

You can also adjust the scoop hood to change the path of the ball.

Quoted from Hazoff:

Not if, it is. That list in no way represents my top 100. The top 10 doesn't even come close, who on this site agrees with each of the top picks? no one and that means its horseshit. A lot of pinsiders just want to look at the list and say "Look my game is number 3 on the list" if thats important to ya great, actually it isn't great at all, its sad.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Upon closer inspection it appears that the LE Apron has an Orange Peel texture, whereas the CE Apron is a very smooth piece of metal. Is that intentional or just lighting?

Quoted from Hazoff:

Not everything just that the top 100 is crap.
Don't try to turn what others say about u on me sir. Ur the boss policing JJP threads and telling people to go sit in the corner or be quiet and behave like ur final word is law. U got bent out of shape here cause how well a game sells and where it is on the top 100 list getting positive reviews is obviously very important to you and I called out anyone with that kind of ridiculous ideology regarding pinball. And what a surprise as to ur thumbs up, 2 other fanboys. That's sad and weak, last week. Good day to u sir.

Quoted from Hazoff:

Then it makes sense. I apologize. Although Romulusx is the Chief of the JJP Police. I will say he does it well.

Quoted from Hazoff:

Jasoff?

Quoted from Tranquilize:

You guys are like children...

Quoted from Multiballmaniac1:

I wonder if Jeffery Toobin is doing that since he got busted.

Quoted from zaphX:

Please don't start with politics in here.

Quoted from kermit24:

DI had chipping issues early. Don’t remember anything about Hobbit.

Quoted from Valorguy:

I'm in no rush either.... But I don't have the typical American attitude. I understand about waiting.
Have you guys ever noticed that things in life are generally what you believe they are going to be? I.E. - Good if you believe it will be good, and bad if you believe it will be bad? It's generally about attitude.
My mother always said : "Speculation is best left for Palm Readers and Prostitutes."

Quoted from jalpert:

They have. JJP hired cliffy to make protectors for DI.

Quoted from zr11990:

I can’t. He has already sold my FH. This is why I don’t buy new fucking games. Maybe I’ll just leave mine in the box and sell it and buy another AFM. Has anyone talked to Jen at JJP?

Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

Couldn’t find the stream until now. Anxious to see the SE.

Quoted from john17a:

Wish id have waited re playfield issues
Crikey disappointing

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Is the back stage a magnet?

Quoted from Yelobird:

Understand your a bit upset but to put a perspective on this it IS possible your game will be fine. Does appear of the few Hundred games they have shipped we have collectively seen 3 maybe 4 games posted with an issue. Not saying its good but the odds are Strongly in your favor that this 1-2% issue will likely be addressed by the time you get your game. Possible anyway... I had a flat tire on my car last week but I don't suspect Everyone that owns a Ford will. Just sayin, keep your head up and don't Hope for the worst.

Quoted from RETROCENGO:

Just to be fair, i made this quick video, showing JJP Pins, im also sad about the GnR issiues, but i really hope JJP can fix them before shipping more games out, and help the ones out there allready

Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Hopefully not the same Playturds TM in them all- lock, stock the whole damn lot, jeez!
Edit: I’ll be messaging my Distro - I want LE # 4999 lol.....surely that will be off the line next summer why badge that up.

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Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Confused with this production of hooky POTC Playfields....
Mon,Tues,Wed,Thurs.....all ok then Fri they just decide to spew out Playturds TM?
I thought in manufacturing its a process of all or nothing.
You don't keep changing processes and ingredients on the fly!
We need this guy to whoop someone's ass!!
Wise words from Sgt Bob Barnes:-
"And when the machine breaks down, we break down. And I ain't gonna allow that in any of you. Not one JJP!"

Quoted from PtownPin:

Yep....your right

Quoted from zaphX:

It is continually surprising how many people say they will never buy another NIB, yet hang out in threads for NIB games...

Quoted from Hazoff:

WTF does that have to do with anything? Can't take that ur precious JJP has some issues so bring Stern into it. That corner u keep bringing up that u want men to go sit in wearing funny hats maybe u need some time there.

Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from wcbrandes:

I don't buy anything without skull and crossbones because all else is just shit!

Quoted from kidchrisso:

Don't you think its a matter of time before they drop Mirco and either bring it in house or use Churchhill Cabinet?

Quoted from kidchrisso:

Isn't Stern doing their own in house now? Would it matter?

Quoted from Betelgeuse:

I hope JJP keeps the artist that did GnR on staff, because the artwork on this machine is phenomenal.

Quoted from zr11990:

And that does what?

Quoted from nicoy3k:

I ordered through a distributor and will have my SE on Friday. I just find it crazy that a bunch of people are stuck with deposits and not a peep about when they will get their games. My point is that JJP doesn’t get any sympathy from me if they refuse to communicate with their customers.

Quoted from jalpert:

The day before the game went on sale, they posted a pic to twitter with nothing but in box games and someone looking proud. This strongly implies these games were ready to ship.
I was expecting weeks, but if you are going to post crap like bunches of games ready to ship, you better have the majority of the games ready to ship or close.
https://twitter.com/JJPinball/status/1312803772435890176

Quoted from Roostking:

I guess the expectation would be that by now, they can fund their operations. Its definitely no win, when POTC was sold as one thing, and delivered as another. Now you are asking for $1000 to fund operations, if I am reading the other pinsider correctly? Not hard to be somewhat jaded on handing over $1000 bucks for an undefined amount of time. We've seen that scenario play out. JJP should be above that scenario, so why the deposit?
Anyway, I am one to wait until i can order and have it shipped a few days later. So by all means, keep funding folks!

Quoted from JY64:

You are right Stern cant keep up and took shit for saying so when Gary said they have 5000 games on order. In the end it comes to do you have to put down $1000 when ordering a Stern game that you will wait months to get

Quoted from Roostking:

Done, with what?

Quoted from Skyemont:

I bet it’s a Stern.

Quoted from PtownPin:

Ha u lost me at JD....I owned a STLE for a while and yes it has great flow, but its not better.....Avengers? I haven't played it yet so can't really comment.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

Agreed. Dredd shoots better.

Quoted from rai:

Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.

Quoted from rai:

Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.

Quoted from JY64:

Even if half of the poll votes are fake you still have a huge issue

Quoted from JY64:

I think with as few games as have been shipped the fact there is an issue at all is a big deal

Quoted from solarvalue:

Depends on the number of Stern fans vs JJP fans. I'd guess there are a lot more Stern fans on here than JJP fans simply because there are more Stern games available.

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Quoted from Gear_Grinder:

So I'm not quite sure that I understand the playfield pooling issue fully as described. When I think of pooling it seems like that would happen when there is an excessive amount of the wet coating built up in an area which is allowed to dry. If my thinking is correct why does it from what I understand only happen near a post? Or could it be from a post installed before the coating is dry? Or maybe overtightened to which in both cases would squeeze the coating out and make it appear to be pooling? just trying to better understand as a first time JJP owner waiting for my GNR to arrive so I know what to look for.
Please don't put me in a corner and wear a Dunce Cap!

Quoted from PtownPin:

Wonka is a great game

Quoted from Blackjacker:

Maybe it's because I don't like an action button on the lockbar to begin with, and I probably should've already learned from the hideous shit that people stack on top of their backboxes, but I can't believe how many people like to tape plastic* crap onto their lockdown bars.
(* to acknowledge the "it's hand-painted resin!" crowd.)

Quoted from Skyemont:

Stern is garage.

Quoted from Roostking:

Think of the possibilities! Just filled with Stern pins!!

Quoted from PBINTHESOUTH:

Wow.. just wow.. I'm in on CE.. won't cancel yet.. but hopefully with the apparent delay that is taking place.. playfield will be redone.. my suspicion is that only a silk screen pf will work.. so they're not gonna do that.. fortunately I haven't gotten involved with a POTC/WONKA game..

Quoted from JY64:

I think if one sells their CE it is best done privately so that they do not end up on a bloody pod-cast

Quoted from gliebig:

Podcasts are garage.

Quoted from Skyemont:

I tell you what. If I get mine and there are issues with the playfield before I even play it back in the box it goes. This is not cool. Who is to blame? Mirco, JJP or both?

Quoted from konghusker:

So what or how exactly have they done to fix it at this point? Serious question

Quoted from Vino:

Mirco has it all under control going forward..
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Quoted from Yelobird:

Won’t go into much detail to keep the GnR thread on track but we Did give a lot of effort trying to enjoy DI based on the hype it just wasn’t for us. GnR for us is far better. DI did shoot great but the Road Show vibe just drove us away.

Quoted from cscmtp:

Thank you for this review, its starting to give me hope. I really have been disappointed with most JJPs I've played and owned, but starting to think this might be the first one I'd really love. Trying hard to find one to play and then make a decision to buy.

Quoted from screaminr:

I was a bit hesitant after hearing and reading some reviews .
$15,500 dollars is a huge amount of money for me , so I had to play it before making a decision .
The shots and gameplay are so good , on top of how well the theme and integration are implemented .
If I had to describe this game with one word I would say fun .
It's the funnest pinball machine I have played in long time .

Quoted from jalpert:

That’s a great idea for an unlock. Axl teleprompter mode.

Quoted from chuckwurt:

Assume they aren’t. Then make your decision.

Quoted from mjpinballs:

Pick up some Guns LE at the terminal yesterday . I didn't get to play it much yet but it sure is a nice looking game.
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Quoted from Yelobird:

Wouldn't it make sense to See if you or Anyone has an issue with the CE Before making demands for reparations?? Odd request.

Quoted from Darkfader:

Just got my JJP GNR LE yesterday.. Filming a most epic unboxing video, Please consider subscribing and stay tuned to my YouTube channel.. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdHfiagwISS_15WwJk804aA?view_as=subscriber
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Quoted from Anubis330:

I added a sub to mine. Easy breezy to do. Speaker wire and alligator clips. I am extremely pleased with the sound after adding the sub. The sub is a must and it's plenty loud. My friends can tell I'm playing mine when they get to the front door. My pins are in the basement!!! Lol

Quoted from LTG:

Maybe something like this ?
LTG : )
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Quoted from PinMonk:

Pretty sure they said February, so not long now.

Quoted from jalpert:

The best part about buying a title that sells in large quantity is JJP can justify spending more resources on things like code updates....