Getting hyped

Man, I'm not a collector type, but had to drop a deposit on the CE. The artwork is insane on that version and the best of the 3 IMHO

Well it does have 600 RGB's so 250 more than the LE

Yeah totally understand, I was in on an LE from the beginning but the all round package is what did it for me, not one specific thing

The Skull Shooter, The soundbar topper, the under and rear cab lighting, the extra 250+ RGB's, the COMA lock, The Action Bar addition art, The Original Banned art characters from the AFD album, sparkle in the Gibson headstock (I'm a Gibson nut )...just off the top of my head $3k worth...no but is anything, It's only money and I'm definitely not getting out of here alive

That's what K man is referring to it as, It's on the Apron and appears to be a physical ball lock

I heard that in the SDTM feature

The SDTM feature was very well done!!! Great video work

Ah, I didn't know that

I think it's more than just a song too. The SDTM vid mentions that each song has it's own rules. So what that means is a guess. Different shots, different LCD scoring, synced lightshow...could be done, would be great to see it implemented

I'm wondering if they had educated estimates based on their past JJP relationships and sales and were direct communicating their deposits and sales to JJP who, then compared inventory of direct sales and then issued cutoffs based on those firm orders of how many JJP could supply to them, versus distributors who had lists of potentials and still don't know how many they are getting. I don't know how all the behind the scenes stuff works...just a guess, but I'm guessing their is a some distributor hierarchy / seniority system in place ???

I think code is going to go a long way here from what I tell this game has a guitar hero feel to it especially getting bood off stage if you can't keep that spinner going... Then the lights go out and the flippers die ...That's some pressure right there.. also trapping the ball lowers your rock meter so I think there's going to be a lot of interaction with the main LCD unlike other games we've seen

Just saw this on the Facebook site though for Game Exchange, looks like they may be forced to doing refunds:

Well.. Got the call we were worried about all day.. JJP is WAY oversold and is making cuts across the board to dealers.. Sadly we are going to have to refund and cancel some Guns and Roses CE orders. We will be working on the list tomorrow and contacting each person cut personally.. This being said.. If you have more than one order somewhere or you have decided you do not want the game please reach out to us.. We are trying to make sure anyone who wants one can get one.. But if you have orders in for more than one you will only get one. JJP has requested our list of sales and will be comparing them.. So please if you ordered more than one or from multiple dealers please let someone else have your spot. If you have any questions please reach out to us personally.. We do not know who is in or out yet, we want to see if anyone back out or is double ordered with JJP's checking orders before we make the cuts.

https://www.facebook.com/gameexchangeofcolorado

Too soon after losing my CE

All I know is the modders could have a small goldmine in sales if they put some quality stuff out...

This is my first JJP, so looking forward to it.

I pride the dings in my real Guitar headstocks, and these are on $5000 Gibson's and the like....Badges of character. Posers pay good money for "authenticated wear" replica's of their guitar hero's go to axe's as well.

If you have to ask, then it's not for you. Just like I don't listen to hiphop..Music is subjective. You either like it or not. When I hear GnR, I think of 1986 in highschool and they were the band to surpass all the glittery hair bands...You had Def Leppard and other amazing talent in those days, but along comes Gun's out of nowhere...raw, unpolished, straight up dirty old fashioned American Rock...it's really that simple.

Yep, no worries, it was jarring back in '86 and '87 when they hit the scene, which is why I think they broke out as big as they did. I can remember the first time I heard/saw Welcome to the Jungle...it was genre changing, just like Nirvana with Smells like Teen Spirit etc...just a moment captured in time that conjures up emotions and nostalgia which at face value is just songs, but delving deeper, each song represents a historical impact and story. Especially in formative years...my "Golden Age" of music is from 85-93, I'm 47 now, and the music sticks with you for life...and there are a lot of people my age, where a theme like GnR resonates deeply. Warts and all

These look like reflections of the sling rubber and the post grommet the rubber sits in reflecting down the post to me, I know your post was sarcastic, I'm just saying for the people that think they are seeing clear issues, same thing with that other pic someone posted...looks fine to me...it's even the same color blue reflection from the lighting...if it was a clear separation, it would stand in contrast with a more white opaque color...
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Porn

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I'm not sure it was posted today on JJP facebook

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=3788135327919303&set=a.377986425600894

https://www.behance.net/gallery/106016743/GUNS-N-ROSES-by-JERSEY-JACK-PINBALL?fbclid=IwAR0AzPlQcD2j5W70GoCvrPzK01HfUN7ai8GQjA61WtiAnP8z173RfkKk_ck

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But back in the day we actually watched concerts though, the new cell phone generation wants to "capture" it all rather than experience it all...sad

First LE I've seen for sale in possession

https://pinside.com/pinball/market/classifieds/ad/104318

Watching this one to see if the market values the immediate possession price hike versus taking on someone else's tax and shipping burden, nothing against the seller, if someone buys it, I guess technically the value of the LE's just went up

Is there a setting on JJP pins where you can adjust the lower end frequencies to the sub versus the main speakers, like a crossover setting for 80Hz and below? Seems if I add the soundbar, only the upper end is getting put throught he soundbar

But I'm assuming the Y splitter off the sound board is for the main speakers and the soundbar and would just be the upper end frequencies where the sub would need to run off a tap from the sub...So I'm guessing the topper is going to boost the mid range and high end only, so BASS from a soundbar really isn't the spec to be focused on when picking one up. Be curious to see what it sounds like for you.

Added: from the manual, it looks like the backbox only supports the tweeters and midrange and the lower freqs are all taken on by the cabinet sub

anyone with LE access, are there equalizer sound settings that show the limits of the range the midrange goes down to...

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y splitter off soundboard PCB, then 3.5 cable to aux port on new soundbar and existing cable to other y split ... sounds like any low end sub duty will work by tapping off the cabinet sub with alligator clips or reflow the solder to new wires for a 2nd external sub...

I'm guessing that they have a soundboard PCB with audio out to take care of the mids and highs, judging from the manual, and that there is another line, (not sure on this as I don't have JJP experience) that is tapped for the LFE/Low end sub 80 Hz channel that's either hardwired or output somewhere like a subout, and there is something possibly in the sound drivers that breaks the 2.1 channel up to distribute the frequency ranges to their proper speaker component, possibly an equalizer or crossover of some sort.

I imagine what the topper soundbar is for is to boost vocal callout clarity within the high's ranges. Normal Rock music equalizer defaults usually result in dropping the mids and boosting the highs and lows to give that Wall of sound, deep rock (think Def Leppard, Guns N' Roses) .... So I'm, just guessing but I think using a topper soundbar with a boosted / amplified high and using a tap off the sub to give a dual sub (cancelling out dead zones ie, dual sub home theater setup) will give you the best, in your face sound from GnR

It's only on the exterior lighting on the back of the backbox and underneath the cab... The playfield lighting for the LE and CE are identical

...and it's not even final paint yet, super impressed..this is taking all the sting out of the CE loss..just worried about the clear issue now

I just saw Game Exchange updated their LE's from 2-4 weeks special order to 6-12 weeks, and the SE's 4-6 weeks. Haven't heard anything officially yet though.

I'm not an engineer, but made this in 5 minutes in photoshop..why can't they develop a flange that sits under the playfield, secured from below and the post is actually part of the flange that goes through the post hole with a threaded center to screw down the plastics to (They could even polish or coat it to look pretty). It doesn't seem like rocket science and you'd never have a sling post (or anything that takes a pounding) ever touch the surface of the playfield again.

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Good to hear!

I would guess they are using a flex washer to translate some of the downward force from the sling post to an angular force from the post hole outward versus a hard washer that would just spread the surface area of the force over a larger pooling area. Fix? Not really, more like a preventative maintenance workaround. But if it prevents the damage, then I'll take it. I would think though you are going to get a slight more sling post slop for the same torque amount. Clear washer would be better though for aesthetics

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Wow

I know people have said no new "process" is coming as it's already here and Mirco has said this..okay fine...but they obviously made a switch at some point based on the pinball expo vid. I'm just curious if the rollout of these initial playfields was part of the old process, so what we're seeing is the leftovers and haven't really seen anything new yet in terms of new LE clears that weren't sitting around for launch ...I have yet to see an SE chipping, only the 1st 100 LE's, granted they are shipping with washers but maybe that's just for extra precaution.... To admit there is a problem with the 1st hundred would be bad $$$...so a case by case basis is what is probably occurring. Eventually, I bet these issues go away with the CE and new LE's being built. That is my wishful thinking anyways

So hear me out..This isn't to suggest a solution but merely something more effective and attractive than a washer. Most of the pooling/chipping I have seen is coming from the inside of the lower sling post which seems to be taking the brunt of the force and compressing the playfield/chipping the clear in that area.

What about a plastic rail guard protector (I install these on all my games) that also doubles as a bridge to isolate and shore up the posts vertical position by sharing the load with the entire guard rail assembly and reducing the compression force of the iinner portion of the sling post?

I've come up with 3 options that could all effectively help...what do you guys think?

I've shaded them to highlight the variances. They could be clear in final design or even incorporate some color.

Again, I know there are other posts that pool and possibly chip, but this is going after the main culprit.

I'm trying to think worse case scenario here if the playfield issue can't be resolved or for those who wanrt some added protection without using washers.

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Not making them, just throwing them out there as an idea if others have the means of fabrication.

Mezel Mods ?
ULEK ?

Not sure I agree with the analiogy. I just used a body shop for a Honda pilot and they have rave reviews around our area. They applied what looked to be a perfect match, same paint and clear as factory. It can be done, I paid a little more than I would have at Joe Shmoe down the road.

Exactly! Garbage in garbage out

That insurance claim would never pass...the shipping company would surely have issue if you marked the bill of lading form as a "shipping damage issue to the playfield" but upon investigation it was the content from the manufacturer that were faulty. I'm guessing they wouldn't honor the claim. You'd probably have to go through your distributor for a return. Plus as others said, they look great until you put a couple games on them

Are you sure that's not a protective film on the album ? Don't have my game yet but that sure looks like it's removable

Sorry, thought it was worth a chance, man from the cabinets to the spinning disc.. Someone is really dropping the ball at JJP with sticker and vinyl application...

I started with Superbands when I was new to pinball. Switched to Titans now. Much more like true rubber, way easier to clean and durable. Superbands look cooler with their gel like transparency, but they are just too hard, put undue stress on posts ...and indirectly the playfield, and boost the shot power which actually changes gameplay, and not in a good way. They're perfect for routed games for lack of replacement but for the home collector/player...Translucent Tinans all day long.