It sure would be awesome if it is!

The opposite could be said that a JJP LE offers more then a CGC MM Royal Edition that costs $10k. You are also talking about 25+ year old games that CGC is remaking. There's no new playfield design being created, no additional animations being added, same sound clips from 25 years ago, the rules are the same ruleset from 25 years ago, etc. What CGC is doing is not even in the same realm of making a new pinball machine from scratch. I say all of that being a fan of the CGC remakes.

Even you and I agree on this lol

Stern releasing a new game is just another day, JJP releasing a new game is a spectacle as that's what their games are.

Yeah fair point, I hear ya.

DAMN what a trailer. JJP just blew everyone away. Now there's a game that looks like its actually worth the asking price.

Yup, quality over quantity! I could care less how many games Stern rushes out per year.

Whats the COMA lock on the CE?

I'm fine with JJP making non gameplay items (artwork, armor, topper, shooter rod, etc) unique to the CE but it would be a huge bummer in my opinion to see gameplay related items be reserved just for the CE. JJP hasn't done that before.

The GNR standard and LE still blow away anything Stern offers for nearly the same price. I'm just disappointed to see a gameplay feature reserved only for the CE, thats BS at these prices.

Hey I have a pin with a piece of an old couch for $15k that I can show you.

Thanks Keith for the information, much appreciated That's good to hear the Coma rule exists in all 3 versions. Just bummed to see a mechanical gameplay feature reserved only for the CE considering the LE price, JJP hasn't done that before. Looking forward to playing, and possibly owning, a GNR!

Yup, $6500 once seemed insane, then $7500, then $8500, then $9k, then $9500...I just can't see spending over $10k on a pin unless it's a personal grail theme (Harry Potter, Back to the Future). Anything over $10k just seems insane.

I'm all for the CE model with features added that don't affect gameplay (just cosmetic additions). However, I think it's a bad decision not to include the physical Coma ball lock on the LE model. Same goes for less RGB lights on the LE. JJP has always included all physical gameplay features on their LE models up until now. It's disappointing that you now have to spend $12.5k, silly money for a pin as I call it, to get all the physical features.

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Even though I think you have zero interest in ever buying a JJP game and are just trolling this thread I'll agree with the above statement.

For $9,500 the LE should come with the same hardware gameplay features as the CE. Personally I think it's ridiculous that on a $9500 pin there's a physical gameplay features reserved only for the CE. Neither JJP, or any pinball manufacturer, has done that with these crazy high end editions. $9500 is already an insane about to spend on a pin but its at least nice knowing you are not missing out on anything toy wise when spending that type of money. I still think GNR looks amazing but the decision to not include the physical Coma mech on the LE is disappointing.

Are the 4 album modes mini wizard modes that are qualified by attempting x number (or all) songs from the corresponding album?

That's cool! There really is a lot of depth to this game and most importantly choice with the way the song modes are played. I like how the song modes can be played as single ball or up to a 6 ball multiball and the player is given the choice if and when to cash in the jackpot.

So there's 21 song modes (or is it 21 songs total in the game?), plus 4 mini wizard modes, 4 dedicated multiball modes, and 1 super wizard mode?

Also, not sure if anyone posted this yet but saw this news story about JJP and GNR posted yesterday.

Yup! There's a ton of items on the playfield which some people are forgetting about. There's also a huge amount of software development hours put into GNR, as with all JJP games, that in my opinion greatly increases the perceived value of the game compared to competitor titles.

All pins are just a box of lights without software development and JJP is easily creating the deepest and most unique rulesets in pinball today. The amount of effort and attention to detail put into JJP games by their software development team is a big reason why I continue to buy their titles over competitor products. Other manufactures releases may look cool and are fun to play in the short term but its JJP games that stay in my collection the longest due to their extremely deep / unique rulesets.

No pin has ever had this many licensed songs in it, not to mention as much input and effort put into by the band and their management team. MET, one of the best music pins of all time, has 12 songs while GNR has double that plus custom music created by a band member solely for the pin. Then there's all the licensed concert footage JJP got for the game.

Well, some people did bring up Stern to put down GNR, and vice versa.

I do think AIQ and GNR both look great. However, in my opinion the perceived value of a JJP pin is significantly higher then Stern games. I never question that Stern games are fun, they are and if money were no object I would buy them all. What I do question is the price Stern charges for their games and what you get for that price. JJP and Stern LE's are about the same price yet JJP is putting more into their games in terms of parts quality, 3D molds, features / toys, and especially software development.

When it comes to perceived value I think JJP can more easily justify a $9500 asking price versus Stern which in my opinion should be selling their LE's for $8k considering what they come with.

That's due to a licensing requirement, or at least an ask, that the pin be focused on the "Never in this Lifetime" tour. I mean that's cool for now but will anyone care about the tour in 5 years? No and I'm not sure if that will hurt how the game is viewed years down the road. It shouldn't hurt it as the premise of the pin, that you are playing a concert tour, is still cool and all the master tracks are there. If only recent concert tracks were in the pin there would be an uproar.

That's great, I still think Stern is ripping people off for how little they include in their games and how they are made compared to JJP games. At today's crazy NIB prices speed is overrated if that means less on the playfield to interact with the ball and other mechs. I'm not spending $6k - $9k+ on a pinball machine of all things for two ramps and a couple orbits. For those prices I want to be wowed and in my opinion JJP does a better job at doing that as they include more in their games and put more effort into their software development.

What? Lol. A JJP standard and Stern premium are the comparable models, same goes for both LE's

Yeah I know the spinning disk isn't that big of a toy but the LCD mini stage on the standard is. The standard model has 200+ RBG lights (there's 25 on AIQ premium / LE...), the stage LCD, camera, the LED hot rails, and the spinning disk. Personally I wish the entire mini playfield was on the standard and the cost was $7500 versus stripping out more to lower the cost.

Oh, and probably 3x the software. That's a huge value point alone and is an underrated factor when it comes to perceived value and longevity of a pin.

I'm still on the fence about this pin. I prefer pins that have a majority of its ruleset focused on objective based modes that push an events forward from a theme. An example of these objective based modes are the main modes in LOTR, Hobbit, Ghostbusters, and Star Wars. Those modes progress an event from the themes source material. What I'm seeing with GNR is a lot of rather generic points and jackpot based modes. The main 21 song modes have some amazing light shows but beyond that what makes them play differently? This is a similar complaint I had with Pirates. When I think about it though there is more to do in the GNR main modes versus the chapter modes in Pirates.

It's also nice to have separate set piece modes such as "Destroy the Death Star", "Destroy the Ring", "Wonka's Office", and the Arkenstone modes in Hobbit. Those modes cannot be stacked with any other mode, and have multiple stages with great mode choreography. Often those modes represent a mini wizard mode in a pin. So far I'm not seeing anything like that in GNR.

Pin Stadium versus JJP Hot Rails are like comparing a 3rd party non functional hood scoop on a muscle car versus a functioning hood scoop from the factory.

One isn't integrated with the vehicle (slapped on) while the other from the factory is. Pin Stadiums cannot be coded to integrate with game modes while Hot Rails can be.

Also great gif above lol!

Agree. The only reason there's more video content available for GNR versus Hobbit is due to hours on end of concert footage, much of which is the same set of songs from the same tour being played at different venues. That's cool but I don't put that in the same category as a 3 Hollywood movies.

I'll still take Hobbit over GNR any day lol More toys, more mechs, and far deeper code that is objective based. My viewpoint is a bit biased though as I love the Middle Earth theme while I'm not a huge GNR fan. I'm glad both pins exist.

I'm with ya there, that would have been cool. The whole generic mode vibe that the GNR song modes are putting off is something I'm not a fan of, just like the chapter modes in Pirates. It is cool though how that you can cash song modes out at various points and that the rules increase in difficulty as you progress further into the song. I did see some OG animations in the trailer that seem to support more in depth objective based modes, maybe all of these are not in the game yet. These animations look really nice!

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Right back at ya Ice

I may have to start referring to the first 4 JJP titles as "The Original 4" back when toys and mechs were plentiful in JJP pins. When I think about it Jack was more involved with the first 4 JJP titles and has been seen less and less starting with Wonka and completely gone with any GNR coverage.

Is Jack still involved with JJP? I hope so.

Saw this on Facebook, it's great to see Jack at the factory! Now where's the cartwheel

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I'm liking everything I've read about GNR except for the lack of interactive toys / mechs. If we compare GNR to Dialed In or Pirates in regards to interactive mechs GNR has significantly less. Instead of putting more interactive mechs into the game I think the focus is on the lighting elements.

I hear ya there on Wonka having more interactive toys and mechs. Hell Avengers Premium / LE has a spinning disk as well but its far more interactive as it lifts up to reveal a shot. With GNR I think a lot of the BOM costs for features went into lighting.

It would have been cool (and I wonder if this was once planned) for the spinning disk on GNR to lift up for it to reveal a Slash skull bobble head type toy that acted like the ring master toy from Circus Voltaire. With the Slash hat right above the spinning disk that would have been perfect! It's stuff like that I've come to expect from JJP. At times I feel that GNR is missing a main toy.

In these general threads it's a bit like the wild west, tons of different opinions from one extreme to the other. In the owners threads the bashing isn't there.

I'm not sure if that is an issue or not but regardless I wouldn't buy any new game for a few months. For today's crazy NIB prices let the earlier adopters deal with initial production issues.

I'll agree with ya there! The layout on Avengers is amazing. I wish Avengers could have GNR's production values in terms of code depth / variety, animation quality, lightning, etc. Stern is cranking out a lot of new titles per year but at that pace they can't match JJP's production values where far more time is spent on software development.

I look at Avengers and see the spinning disk that lifts out of the playfield to reveal a shot, a subway where balls can be locked / viewed through the playfield, a VUK out of the subway, the magnetic ramp lock, drop target bank, captive ball, and 2 shots that can be made from the upper left flipper. That's a good amount of features that interact with the ball and hard to beat at around $7,500 for the premium.

The guitar ball lock is awesome on GNR but beyond that there's little in terms of items that interact with the ball. I'm surprised something more interactive was not used versus a regular scoop and spinning disk in those areas. The only other interactive item is the COMA physical ball lock and it's only available on the the $12,500 version of the game...I still say that feature should have been included on the LE considering the price.

Its ok, let go of your JJP hate and give into the toys, features, and deep code that JJP consistently offers

The only thing I wonder is are the first GNR's off the line using the more durable Spectrum Micro playfields? JJP has likely had the GNR playfields going into games now for weeks if not months and who knows how long they were made prior to that.

Here's the pic of the GNR pooling playfield.

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The red metallic powder coat on the LE looks nice. I was a bit bummed when I first read it was just flat red paint but that doesn't appear to be the case.

I don't know, maybe in the short term CE's will rise in value but in the long term they will drop in my opinion. This isn't a Pirates CE situation where we had a super loaded wide body game that came with a far more interactive topper and only around 200 were made. There's 500 GNR CE's being made and that is simply too many in my opinion to result in the game going up in value when the initial price is already insanely high at $12,500. I wouldn't be surprised if within a year or two we see HUO CE's selling for $10k - $11k and HUO LE's for $8k - $9k.

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After seeing all these playfield issues I feel even better about buying a new GoldenTee cabinet earlier this year instead of another NIB pin. No issues and its on 24/7 lol.

Fix the playfields JJP! Buy or use the company that Haggis Pinball has to make their super durable playfields.

No more "Uh oh, better get Micro" playfields.

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Hopefully JJP isn't using posts again that have an extruding edge that digs into the playfield. The pictures below are from a slingshot post on a Pirates I once had. It was a later build and had a plastic washer installed under the post from the factory. The plastic washer shows the edge digging into it (better that then the playfield). I wonder if posts on GNR have the plastic washers installed underneath.

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Hobbit probably has the best playfield quality ever offered by JJP. Why Micro can't match the quality from their Hobbit playfields made less than 5 years ago is odd.

Congrats on the new pin! It looks great. Glad to hear the playfield looks great.

Are the larger washers now being installed at the factory?

That's hilarious and sad at the same time. Seeing those large washers being installed from the factory is JJP admitting there is a playfield defect and that the issue is not resolved. I could understand doing that with Pirates as it was the first time JJP encountered the issue but that was back in late 2018 / early 2019. This issue should be fixed by now!

There's no way in hell I'm dropping $9,500 on an LE right now with JJP shipping at least some GNR's with defective playfields. That's too much of a gamble and I'll instead reevaluate after 6 months.

I know there's a good number of GNR owners with pooling / chipping but over 50% of those "yes" votes in the other thread are probably from Stern Army members.

I wouldn't be surprised if the delays and silence is due to JJP trying to resolve playfield issues.

Lol hit after hit? Stranger Things, Beatles, Black Knight SOR, and especially Munsters didn't do well.

Yup, no excuse for that type of quality at the original price and especially not after a $1k price increase. Where was the quality control? I'm not sure if a return / replacement game will be offered from JJP. At least its just the front decal that is messed up, still a pain to replace but much easier then a side decal.

Oops lol. Yeah it was late and I was pretty tired. Yeah that's not good and much worse then dealing with a front decal replacement.

JJP should take the game and give you a new one. If JJP wants to charge another $1k per game then they should also be held accountable for quality at these insane prices. Prices go up and so do customer expectations.

I would also recommend bands by Perfect Play sold at Pinball life. I have them in several games, they hold up very well, and look great.