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Quoted from PtownPin:Do tell ! love to hear what game u think has better flow!
Quoted from Skyemont:I bet it’s a Stern.
Of corse Stern games have better flow JJP fans have always said Stern games lack toys and upper playfields these are the thing that break up flow. Two or three flippers 6 or 7 lanes few toys = lots of flow
This could be interesting.
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Quoted from JY64:Of corse Stern games have better flow JJP fans have always said Stern games lack toys and upper playfields these are the thing that break up flow. Two or three flippers 6 or 7 lanes few toys = lots of flow
Of course? I would tend to agree with WOZ (zero flow), and to a lesser degree Hobbit, and POTC .... zero chance u can say that about WW or DI....what Stern game has better flow than WW? .... they don't have one....yes some have great flow (i.e. ST), but their not better...
Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
Evansvile, IN
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
So what was your opinion of AIQLE?
Quoted from romulusx:So what was your opinion of AIQLE?
I really didn't like AIQ too much, the spinner disc wasn't spinning easily and the subway show really slows down the game. I don’'t care for the wide ramp that's shaped like a slipper, it was super easy to hit and so not really satisfying.
I did feel like there was more satisfying shots in AIQ but that GnR was better put together but less satisfying to play.
I felt the same as well. But damn what a nice looking game.
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
what did you think of the upper playfield?
Quoted from andrewket:This could be interesting.
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Well, why not add another $800. 
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
Quoted from rai:I really didn't like AIQ too much, the spinner disc wasn't spinning easily and the subway show really slows down the game. I don’'t care for the wide ramp that's shaped like a slipper, it was super easy to hit and so not really satisfying.
I did feel like there was more satisfying shots in AIQ but that GnR was better put together but less satisfying to play.
Have not played the GNR, was lucky enough to get a CE and I will probably play it when it is delivered in 2022 or 2023 
, I can't wait to play the GNR, but I do have an AIQ LE in my home and everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it is hard to not love the shots, flow and play on the AIQ. The AIQ is definitely in need of better call outs, only Thanos is memorable and impactful. The Code at .92 is good but not yet great. The spinning Disk, I think is done very well, and the way they used it to randomize the shots, to start the Dr. strange gem and 1/2 way trough the mind gem was brilliant (maybe the one they had at the place you played needed to be fixed?). I think in the long run AIQ will be a more loved game than even Jurassic Park, if they can make the Avengers call outs not so damn boring (although I do love my JP). I have a Wonka as well and love the game, lots of shots, but no way does it flow like any Elwin game or Elvira. Wonka is great for a many, many reasons, but outstanding flow or fast play is not one of them.
The closer I look at the cabinet artwork on the LE, the more I love it. Awesome stuff.
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Ya, I agree. AIQ is super fun to shoot and the spinning disk is done very well. The Avengers callouts are weak, and more needs to be done. Recent code is a little better for the callus, but they still have a ways to go. I think Stern will do it though.
Quoted from kermit24:The closer I look at the cabinet artwork on the LE, the more I love it. Awesome stuff.
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I really love that artwork.
Quoted from rai:I really love that artwork.
My game chipped last night after only showing the very slightest site of pooling. It was so slight I never posted it but it went from slight to bare wood in one round of games. I’ve contacted my distributor but I’m kinda disgusted. I had pooling on my Pirates and Wonka and sold them because of that and the games didn’t do that much for me, but I’ve been enjoying G n R and the pooling was only just beginning to become apparent. To go straight from fine to a chunk of art popping off really makes me wonder what the game will look like at 500 games or more.
It’s only chipped at the bottom of the left sling but I see at least two other spots that had the same slight pool around them.
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It’s only chipped at the bottom of the left sling but I see at least two other spots that had the same slight pool around them.
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I'm sorry to see that. It's unbelievable that this is still happening. What the heck these companies should learn to at least leave the area around the posts blank?!? Why is this still a thing? Is the paint now eco friendly?
Quoted from TheGunnett:My game chipped last night after only showing the very slightest site of pooling. It was so slight I never posted it but it went from slight to bare wood in one round of games. I’ve contacted my distributor but I’m kinda disgusted. I had pooling on my Pirates and Wonka and sold them because of that and the games didn’t do that much for me, but I’ve been enjoying G n R and the pooling was only just beginning to become apparent. To go straight from fine to a chunk of art popping off really makes me wonder what the game will look like at 500 games or more.
It’s only chipped at the bottom of the left sling but I see at least two other spots that had the same slight pool around them.
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Sorry man, JJP can't get the Spectrum playfield soon enough. This is looking terrible for Mirco.
Quoted from nicoy3k:Wasn’t it established that these are the spectrum playfields ?
Oh, I hope not.
Or 20 years from now everyone will say. Oh don't worry about that, they were all like that.
Quoted from RyanStl:Oh, I hope not.
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Or 20 years from now everyone will say. Oh don't worry about that, they were all like that.
According to Mircos site they are and JJP says there is no new play field coming. Would be pretty insane to make a couple of hundred games with shitty playfields knowing a better product was on the way.
Tilburg
Quoted from kermit24:The closer I look at the cabinet artwork on the LE, the more I love it. Awesome stuff.
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I know. Glad to see The Netherlands Nijmegen concert also represented on the right side of the cabinet. Windmills anyone?
Quoted from RyanStl:Sorry man, JJP can't get the Spectrum playfield soon enough. This is looking terrible for Mirco.
Quoted from nicoy3k:Wasn’t it established that these are the spectrum playfields ?
They. Are. Not. Called. Spectrum. Playfields.
He did the demo of his clearcoat on a playfield for a game called Spectrum.
Quoted from zaphX:They. Are. Not. Called. Spectrum. Playfields.
He did the demo of his clearcoat on a playfield for a game called Spectrum.
I was wondering how long until you posted this. They are now. 
Quoted from zaphX:They.Are.Not.Called.Spectrum.Playfields.
Quoted from flynnibus:We never had to have a name for the 'bad' playfields
i have some suggestions for branding these playfields.
how about "suspect-rum" playfields,
or "we dont inspect-em" playfields,
or perhaps "wrecked-em" playfields.
i think we should just call them "rectum" playfields,
because anyone who gets one is surely taking it up the ass.
Does anyone know when Mirco plans to roll out the spectrum playfield process? Seemed unclear from the video.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Does anyone know when Mirco plans to roll out the spectrum playfield process? Seemed unclear from the video.
He's been selling Spectrum playfields for about 3 months.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mircoplayfields-spectrum-repro-playfields-are-ready
Quoted from zaphX:He's been selling Spectrum playfields for about 3 months.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mircoplayfields-spectrum-repro-playfields-are-ready
I think he was asking about Mirco's new patented 'Spectrum' branded clearcoat process.
No I was talking about the new clearcoat process called Spectrum. It’s in the expo video with the baby.
Annan
Quoted from jarozi:I think he was asking about Mirco's new patented 'Spectrum' branded clearcoat process.
Quoted from chuckwurt:No I was talking about the new clearcoat process called Spectrum. It’s in the expo video with the baby.
You guys are just going to be willfully ignorant on this, huh.
Quoted from TheGunnett:My game chipped last night after only showing the very slightest site of pooling. It was so slight I never posted it but it went from slight to bare wood in one round of games. I’ve contacted my distributor but I’m kinda disgusted. I had pooling on my Pirates and Wonka and sold them because of that and the games didn’t do that much for me, but I’ve been enjoying G n R and the pooling was only just beginning to become apparent. To go straight from fine to a chunk of art popping off really makes me wonder what the game will look like at 500 games or more.
It’s only chipped at the bottom of the left sling but I see at least two other spots that had the same slight pool around them.
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I’m sorry to see this man, that is just awful and of course unacceptable. I really hope you get satisfaction. What a bummer 
I have to ask, is your pin regarded by JJP as a Prototype?
Quoted from Sako-TRG:I’m sorry to see this man, that is just awful and of course unacceptable. I really hope you get satisfaction. What a bummer
I have to ask, is your pin regarded by JJP as a Prototype?
It was one of the first hundred produced and used at the Cointaker SAPS tailgate. It had 70 plays on it , no playfield or mechanical issues so I thought I was in the clear.
Quoted from zaphX:You guys are just going to be willfully ignorant on this, huh.
You are being trolled Derek.
Quoted from TheGunnett:It was one of the first hundred produced and used at the Cointaker SAPS tailgate. It had 70 plays on it , no playfield or mechanical issues so I thought I was in the clear.
Well that’s at least 2 x cases we have seen it chip extensively down to bare wood at the slings. Not small but large, that’s definitely a combat indicator somethings not right!
Wow that sucks....be interesting to see what the distributor, and JJP says about this....ignoring these issues is not the answer
Quoted from rai:Got to play GnR LE at The Pinball Lounge in Oviedo FL (along with AIQ LE)
I didn't notice any pooling or chipping at all.
I did not love GNR much, it's a nice looking game and good build quality and the lighting is great, I just didn't like the overall playing of the game. I didn't like the beginning 'collect the band members' to get to a mode. I understand that's the way it is, but to me it's wasn't my cup of tea. I didn't like the sprinkled on quick MBs 'throw the lights' just happened, I was just flailing away at the upper flipper and just happen to get a quick MB. I think all the quick MBs would become pretty routine after a while.
IMO this is a pin that will have some people who love it and some who don't which is fine, it's just not my type of pin.
From a guy who has pins from every manufacturer, good honest opinion on 2 very different new games. Good answer 
I know people have said no new "process" is coming as it's already here and Mirco has said this..okay fine...but they obviously made a switch at some point based on the pinball expo vid. I'm just curious if the rollout of these initial playfields was part of the old process, so what we're seeing is the leftovers and haven't really seen anything new yet in terms of new LE clears that weren't sitting around for launch ...I have yet to see an SE chipping, only the 1st 100 LE's, granted they are shipping with washers but maybe that's just for extra precaution.... To admit there is a problem with the 1st hundred would be bad $$$...so a case by case basis is what is probably occurring. Eventually, I bet these issues go away with the CE and new LE's being built. That is my wishful thinking anyways
Brisbane
Quoted from kermit24:The closer I look at the cabinet artwork on the LE, the more I love it. Awesome stuff.
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Agree. I'd love to own some of the Lithographs that are featured on the cabinet. Is there anywhere other than Ebay where people sell these pieces?
Quoted from Sako-TRG:That leads me to believe the GnRs are already furnished with the latest Micro Playturds TM.
Or there already tons of playfields already made and JJP has every intent of running through...
Or its just a way to deflect what otherwise would be demands for replacements that are only the new stuff...
Quoted from kermit24:You are being trolled Derek.
Yeah but the sad thing is how many lemmings will clamp on and roll with it...
Quoted from TheGunnett:My game chipped last night after only showing the very slightest site of pooling. It was so slight I never posted it but it went from slight to bare wood in one round of games. I’ve contacted my distributor but I’m kinda disgusted. I had pooling on my Pirates and Wonka and sold them because of that and the games didn’t do that much for me, but I’ve been enjoying G n R and the pooling was only just beginning to become apparent. To go straight from fine to a chunk of art popping off really makes me wonder what the game will look like at 500 games or more.
It’s only chipped at the bottom of the left sling but I see at least two other spots that had the same slight pool around them.
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Man that's sad.
Very sorry you have to go through this on a new pin.
GL with a solution.
I'll just assume mine will be the same in time.
Quoted from allsportdvd:Agree. I'd love to own some of the Lithographs that are featured on the cabinet. Is there anywhere other than Ebay where people sell these pieces?
All-encompassing lithograph thread on one of the biggest GNR forums:
https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/215649-tour-lithographs-and-show-specific-artwork/
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