You're correct with that. No point bitching about it. Just like politics, nothing changes. Someone is always on the short end of the stick.

wouldn't surprise me as no real news is never a good thing....My guess is things might get further delayed to get these Mirco play fields figured out....i.e. Wonka CE's two month delay. The worst thing JJP could do is put out a bunch of CE's with questionable play fields. I'm fine with a delay if they get their quality figured out, but waiting 6 months on a $1K deposit is a long time.

That doesn't makes sense. I thought they can currently make 10-15 games per day...that is more like a rate of 5 per day.

I ordered an LE on 10/6 direct and got word today to expect it April/May. It’s going to be a long winter...lol.

Wow

So will we see a bunch of people scrambling to grab whatever SEs are left?

LOL same shit different post

Wonder if JJP will split the investment profits, since they require you to give them an interest free loan.

Personally, I would yank my deposit and wait until they can be bought and shipped, tomorrow.

Exactly how much interest do you expect to make on $1000 over 6 months?

About 4 bucks.

We should burn up JJPs phone lines

No
We should stay off the phone.
Let's just keep posting the same thing over and over on Pinside.

And that does what?

I was told the deposit was non-refundable.

It is non refundable the 1K deposit.
I think the point he was making was to receive countless 1K deposits for a period of 6 months......a smart investor could make a tidy sum of money.
The point you make about interest is a mute point.

If you think JJP is taking those deposits and playing Bernie Madoff on the stonk market, you're crazy.

Look at what refundable deposits did to POTC - Pinside did it's thing, and they got pulled back.
Deposits fund parts orders. I don't blame them one bit for making people commit.

I’m personally quite happy to wait for my LE.
If it’s even next summer, so be it.....
With any luck, it will be bullet proof by then

It is just what we do.

Interfering with one of the few businesses feeding our need to have something to obsess over is counterproductive.

Of course we are all immature but we need to accept responsibility for our actions. When we paid the deposit we knew it was non-refundable, if we bothered to ask. We also knew we had no way of knowing when our game would be available, if we bothered to ask. We said, 'shut-up and take our money' and they obliged. Now we don't want to wait. Too bad. Remember that next time someone asks you for a deposit. Don't blame the businesses for your actions. You are presumably a capable adult. You get to make your own decisions. Along with making decisions comes consequences of our actions. We are responsible for our actions. It is not your spouse's/parent's/government's/God's responsiblity.
Personal responsibility is not just a bumper sticker it is how we redeem ourselves and our world, one person at a time.

I dont mind waiting, thats not a issue. My issue is paying that kind of cash for something that might fall apart in 6 months and they wont do a thing about it.

Really what color is the sky in your world? When’s the last JJP stern AP or spooky game that fell apart in six months?

I want to pull the trigger on an SE, but I don’t like putting down a deposit with no time frame. I don’t mind waiting, it’s the not knowing when part.

Where can we see the presentation from Expo where he shows the new process? I looked at the schedule and could not find a reference to a Mirco presentation.

Thanks
Ed

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/772313718
The Mirco demo starts around 16 minutes into the stream. Beware, screaming baby alert!!!

Yep. I’m doing the same. Luckily a friend is getting one that he knows he won’t keep so I’ll probably jump on his when he’s ready.

Exactly! Some people really do exaggerate, taking it to a whole new level...
Fall apart, hell no......
Derez?

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Thanks for the link. I watched it and it all sounds great and he says they have been using this new process for a while so not sure why the GnR playfields are still having issues!

Yeah, it is definitely puzzling.

Come on, Steve....just....don't.

Don't engage.

ok, Ill take $2! Me thinks if you bought a few shares of Apple stock with that $1000, you might just make a wee bit more than 4 bucks in 6 months. Just a hunch.

And why make anyone commit? Isnt this a legit company now? Are they not able to fund their operations without deposits? If that is not the case, I would definitely wait, just to make sure they are around in May! I thought the days of pre-paying for a pin were over.

Four words: Pirates of the Caribbean.

Of course you’re right. My buttons are easily pushed so they see me coming

I dont know what the last one was but my WoZ did. When a big fucking quarter sized chip of ink pops off the PF after less than 100 games and JJP does nothing, I would say I got fucked. They are still selling shit PFs and it looks like they will continue to do so.

If you bought apple on January 1 2020 and sold July 1 2020, you’d make around $400 on the investment before taxes. So about $250 net of tax.

Yea, they learned alright. Present full playfield with all sorts of toys. Collect pre-order $$$. Strip playfield of toys, ship! (No pun intended)

Oh I see that’s what falling apart means. Well at least you don’t have to worry since you aren’t in on GnR.

Exactly. But anyway, back on topic. Game looks bad ass and cant wait to play it!

Where have you been? I did buy one or I wouldn't care. I sold a restored FH to buy it. My game is gone so I have to roll the dice.

If you hated JJP going in WHY then would you keep buying? Masochistic or something?

You didn’t have to do anything. Why not wait a year and buy one later?

Well fuck I figured they would have gotten their shit together by now. Supposedly they fixed this problem after the POTC had issues.

Yes I do remember reading that, my mistake. Okay I understand your nervousness. Funhouse is awesome. It will be okay though.

Would you feel better or more confident if I and the majority of others posted a picture of our games with no issues? Shit can happen but doesn’t necessarily mean it’s the norm.

Again, we don’t make the playfields. This WOZ you had issues with - was it an original from 2013-14? We didn’t have our current playfield vendor at that time.

Considering Mirco has had problems with your last 3 titles I'm surprised their still around. Although I am sure JJP's options are pretty slim? .... unfortunately a majority if not all your problems in the past several years lead directly to Mirco, but its your game so your on the hook.

At least with The Hobbit they said, here...No toys! right off the bat.

I know you don’t make them, Mirco does. You are having issues already and these PFs with pooling and chipping at the posts will get worse and what will you guys do about it?

Curious to know if you got Walmart specials?

Is there any record of this getting worse or is it just localized to the posts? I ask because even though this issue has been talked about for some time across multiple different manufacturers and games, I have yet to see a playfield fall apart over it. I don’t mean to minimize the problem, but if the chipping can be covered up with a washer and not extend beyond the area right around a post, I care less than if it causes issues outside that area.

Fantastic. So with Wonka we had no preorder and a completely different financial structure and people still complain. POTC was 8 months from reveal to start of shipping so this time with GnR we had nice amount built before even revealing the game so that they could ship at launch. And what am I reading over and over? We aren’t shipping them out fast enough. This is Webster’s definition of a no-win situation.

If you think POTC is a stripped game you're just trolling.

And they DID learn. All this is just my own speculation, but from my perspective they learned:

- Never show the game until it is ready to ship. (Would anyone have whined about disc/trunkgate if they'd never seen them?)
- Have games ready to ship when you launch.
- Refundable deposits are harmful and not required if the game is sufficiently exciting.

Imagine a world where POTC orders could not be pulled due to disk/trunkgate. People would have kept their spots, gotten their games, and raved about how great they were. The line would have been able to keep moving.