Quoted from zaphX:

What's the point of saying this to the rest of us over and over again? In a thread about the game they won't buy?

Quoted from pinballj:

Good read on Forbes! https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimryan1/2020/10/27/guns-n-roses-guitarist-slash-on-new-not-in-this-lifetime-pinball-machine-collaborating-with-jersey-jack-pinball

Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from Shmilder:

How long after purchase did you bring up the issue with them? I'm reading the current warranty and it's only 30 days.

Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from wcbrandes:

No one is defending bad product, that's your interpretation. I think people just get sick and tired of the same individuals saying the same thing over and over. I for one hope both Stern and JJP get the results we all are hoping for with their outside vendors, as I am sure all do here. This or go back to silk screen where I believe the problem lies.

Quoted from iceman44:

And like Zaphx said, Pinheads are basically just "fickle" buyers, we all know this, and have seen it for the past decade, year after year.

Quoted from meSz:

Ice is it really that buyers are fickle, in this case? Not criticizing you by any means as I am one that is .... to each their own! BUT, it gets me that people downplay the pooling and chipping of playfields. People are spending 6-12500k on these machines and, like a lot of hobbyist, they're putting them in their collection. In that collection they have machines from all eras. What gets me is .... a Stern or JJP machine that isn't even a few years old has pooling and chipping issues and it's sitting in the same room as a machine I have that's from the 60's that has a excellent playfield. So how is it, with all the modern technology, that playfield quality isn't getting better but getting worse?
Another thing that makes me shake my head is everyone blames JJP! This is not a JJP issue it's a Mirco issue. Mirco comes on Pinside all the time selling his products and responds to questions but refuses to address the poor quality product that he has put out. This is JJP 6th machine and, what, 4 out of the 6 have had pf issues ....all supplied by Mirco.
Just another point of view!

Quoted from romulusx:

Older playfields are better because the companies could buy the best product,now they have to use shit that’s safe for the environment

Quoted from meSz:

People are spending 6-12500k on these machines and, like a lot of hobbyist, they're putting them in their collection.

Quoted from meSz:

What gets me is .... a Stern or JJP machine that isn't even a few years old has pooling and chipping issues and it's sitting in the same room as a machine I have that's from the 60's that has a excellent playfield. So how is it, with all the modern technology, that playfield quality isn't getting better but getting worse?

Quoted from meSz:

Another thing that makes me shake my head is everyone blames JJP! This is not a JJP issue it's a Mirco issue. Mirco comes on Pinside all the time selling his products and responds to questions but refuses to address the poor quality product that he has put out. This is JJP 6th machine and, what, 4 out of the 6 have had pf issues ....all supplied by Mirco.
Just another point of view!

Quoted from meSz:

Ice is it really that buyers are fickle, in this case? Not criticizing you by any means as I am one that is .... to each their own! BUT, it gets me that people downplay the pooling and chipping of playfields. People are spending 6-12500k on these machines and, like a lot of hobbyist, they're putting them in their collection. In that collection they have machines from all eras. What gets me is .... a Stern or JJP machine that isn't even a few years old has pooling and chipping issues and it's sitting in the same room as a machine I have that's from the 60's that has a excellent playfield. So how is it, with all the modern technology, that playfield quality isn't getting better but getting worse?
Another thing that makes me shake my head is everyone blames JJP! This is not a JJP issue it's a Mirco issue. Mirco comes on Pinside all the time selling his products and responds to questions but refuses to address the poor quality product that he has put out. This is JJP 6th machine and, what, 4 out of the 6 have had pf issues ....all supplied by Mirco.
Just another point of view!

Quoted from wcbrandes:

I don't buy anything without skull and crossbones because all else is just shit!

Quoted from PinHigh1:

Anyone hearing anything recently from distributors about the timing of LE shipments? I've heard crickets so far.

Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from iceman44:

I hear you. Good points. One of the differences between now and the 60's are all the ramps and speed of pinball today. I've also heard Vid swear that any pf from any era gets hammered down and evened out over time.
I don't know what the answer is? I've bought a ton of Stern games over the past decade. And i've had varying degrees of success with the overall PF quality.
Recently, JPLE, EHOHLE and STHLE pf's have held up great. My Munsters LE has some pooling. My GBLE has two very minor ghosted inserts. Maybe my ASLE is the best one?
The only time i ever even think about it is when it gets brought up on here.
Mirco? Maybe he's to blame for the inconsistency? If he's making the pf's i assume he has to be at fault.
So for me, after buying pins for so many years now i just don't care that much. Within reason. I wouldn't want to see "major chipping" on any game, for anybody for that matter.
Overall however, my experience has far exceeded expectations and that's just the way i look at it.

Quoted from PinHigh1:

Anyone hearing anything recently from distributors about the timing of LE shipments? I've heard crickets so far.

Quoted from mamemaster:

Um to everyone talking about pooling, chipping, and other related crap - I've been enjoying my LE for over a week now and the playfield doesn't have one freaking ding on it. No pooling, chipping, or other nonsense either.
I've also chatted with Jack via email - he's not hiding nor is anyone else there. Pinside is so pinside!
My NIB Ghost Busters and my NIB Monster Bash LE - BOTH were filled with potholes in the first week. My G&R playfield looks like glass - it's the best one I've ever seen!
An NO, I'm not doing a police investigation with close-ups to prove it. You'll have to take my word for it.
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Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from Mr68:

Anybody else besides me not bothering their distributor about delivery dates?

Quoted from Skyemont:

My friend got his SE yesterday.
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Quoted from Skyemont:

My friend got his SE yesterday.
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Quoted from Valorguy:

Are those Factory post black discs sitting at the playfield surface to hide the imperfections?

Quoted from Valorguy:

Are those Factory post black discs sitting at the playfield surface to hide the imperfections?

Quoted from Valorguy:

Are those Factory post black discs sitting at the playfield surface to hide the imperfections?

Quoted from Tdavis7965:

I’ve been following this post for a while and finally pulled the trigger on an SE yesterday. Plays incredibly fast! Looks like the black washers are only at the bottom posts, all others look ok without washers and no pooling or chipping. Can take more pics if needed[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Quoted from Tdavis7965:

I’ve been following this post for a while and finally pulled the trigger on an SE yesterday. Plays incredibly fast! Looks like the black washers are only at the bottom posts, all others look ok without washers and no pooling or chipping. Can take more pics if needed[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Quoted from kidchrisso:

Don't you think its a matter of time before they drop Mirco and either bring it in house or use Churchhill Cabinet?