first musical pin that i like at least half of the songs in the game. my only complain is of course the missing of Knocking on heaven's door. big pity.

Each song has specific rules and are progressive like different levels to each song. One song will be hit so many switches (50 switches level one, 150 switches level 2 etc..)

The songs are modes and all different (they say) I don't know.

I agree, that is why my threshold is 1 maybe 2 years. I make no delusions about games lasting a lifetime. What keeps me coming back to games is the challenge they present, the gameplay. I don't doubt GNR is an unbelieve presentation, just hope the bones of the game are fun enough to keep you engaged once you're no longer wow'd by the A/V- which WILL happen , it does for every game.

So if you remove the excessive multiball like people say it will effect your progress in the game

What is your job title at Stern?

I was hoping they would find a way to get Slither into the game. That was one of my favorite songs from their concert.

You may have read I did Not say anything bad about Hot Wheels it is a good game just not a comparison to GnR. Just saying he couldn’t figure out the simple aspect of collecting band members shows me it was clearly over his head as it repeats it over and over lol.

As of today, he's been on Pinside for 2 weeks (11 games rated).

To specify, I did figure out HOW to collect band members, just not WHY I was collecting them. Just trying to give a non-biased first impression and maybe some of the negative points can be attributed to it being in a bar setting. Either way, I hope JJP sells a lot of them and if you love it, my impression shouldn't take away from that.

Lurker for years... not trying to be a negative poster.

Hope they add more songs through updates. I'd like to see "Yesterdays" and "Knockin on Heavens Door", Silther would have to be Scott Weilend as Axl kind of butchered it, but man the light show for that would be awesome. I remember Slash performing that song with Myles many times and the whole room goes green. Fingers crossed they add songs!

I don’t think they will be adding songs. I’m ok with that, it has a ton already.

This was definitely something people experienced in the owner's thread. Not sure why....

Either way, settings can be tweaked on the back of these displays!

At the end of the day everyone has different feelings about games so take it with a grain of salt. Especially from someone who rates a Met Pro (fun game) that much higher than a GNR LE.....anyone who has owned a JJP game knows that it takes quite a while to really get a feel for the game as the rules are complex, and u have to tweak the game to your liking. Playing a JJP on location and passing judgement is a challenge.

I am not sure but I believe ball 1 2 and 3 spot members of the band so that everyone can start a song by ball 3

Yeah, on Ball 3, the song is automatically lit... you just gotta hit the scoop to start it.

I can tell in a game or 2 if a pin is for me, sometimes from just watching it being played but to judge code or shot difficulty/drains without ever playing it is foolish.

Exactly. Theme will keep a pin around way longer than gameplay for me. Loved TWD but after the 3rd final wizard mode when I started a game it was like "yeah yeah I know" then it becomes a chore over being fun and exciting. I still haven't played a pin where that didn't happen and many times without ever getting to the end.

Simple pins that are great for competition mode and have staying power if u can stand people in the house on a regular basis. Every new release is gonna have people claiming "GOAT" all the way down to "Shit Sandwich" and rightfully so.

Well if that concept in the rules is over his head then I'm gonna have to assume he's still having trouble with the concept of Sliced Bread.

So anyone finishing making some cool mods for the LE yet?
Would like to see a nice lockdown button surround + plunger surround for starters

I'd love to just see a replica of the CE lockdown button. The roses would look good on the red.

Yes, agreed to match the Apron also!

JJP just charged my card $1k. Yay! Is everyone getting this or do they time it based one when the machine might ship? Interesting that they don't charge the full amount upfront.

... perhaps snakes and/or guns, leave the roses alone on the CE

Be real.. would all these people use the same description if it weren't pre-seeded? How many of these people have been to that show? It's not saying the description isn't valid - it's saying the the reason people get to THAT description in particular vs any other is because they were told that's what it was designed to be.

The power of suggestion is real.

Are you getting a GNR’s?

I was able to play GNR today for 10 games or so. First impression. The light show is amazing. One thing a lot of people have not mentioned is the sound absolutely kicks ass! Wow! best sound in a stock pin I’ve heard. I liked having to hit various shots to light band members and work towards your goal of starting a song. Then, starting a song is super cool and there is a different experience for each song. The flippers were a little weak. Not real snappy like on Sterns. The shots are very unique and very smooth. Very fun shots all over the Playfield. I do think all the multi-balls were a bit much. As I was playing it was just craziness and I was just mashing the flippers to save the balls. Aiming for anything was pretty much out of the question because the multiballs. I know there are multiple mini 2-ball multiballs. Maybe adjust those and the excess multiballs can be tamed down a bit? Overall, it’s an awesome experience. I think if you dial in the adjustments for your particular taste, this is a candidate for pin of the year.

I’d really like to see the skull over the shooter on the CE mod for the LE.

Sorry if been asked already but can a sound bar be wired to the LE?

Unfair drains are a problem too. Multiple people have mentioned that made shots can lead to balls going to the right outlane. That can leave a bad first impression, like the right orbit on TZ going SDTM if you don't use the upper flipper to deflect the ball.

I heard that it shouldn't do this on GNR and that a metal rail can we tweaked to fix it. Hopefully, they'll get this sorted at the factory.

Yes. If you download the manual you can see the sound bar is simply plugged in. Don't really feel it needs it though as they seem to have bumped up the speaker system in this game already. My opinion.

After playing my game for a week then the games at the GAP open house it is clear the side to side level of this game is Critical! On the open house game it was leaning right so the plunge exit would always go SDTM as would the drop roll from the upper playfield to the right outlane. As soon as we leveled the game correctly the issue was 100% gone. Properly leveled from the plunge it rolls almost perfectly to the right flipper every time.

This guy seriously ranked Stranger Things Pro higher than JJP's Guns N Roses. I understand opinions and experiences vary, but come on man...you're telling me Stranger Things Pro is better than GnR....Get outta here!

There is meant to be one in Melbourne either now or very soon. Hopefully we will get some other opinions soon.

The great thing about a person expressing their opinion is that we get to know a bit more about them which helps us to determine how much we value their opinions.

I think that's common for less experienced players. When my wife first started playing, I remember her telling me she didn't like getting multiball because it was too overwhelming. Now that she's gotten better, she enjoys them and can aim for shots amidst the chaos.

I find games get easier and more fun as I get to know them. A good game makes me want to get to know it. A great game keeps me interested.

From what I see and what many have said, GNR has the potential to do both, but so much is personal preference. Looking forward to playing it.

Might be to him. Is that so strange. U do realize that many people would rate GnR as better band than Black Sabbath or Marvel films better than the likes of The Godfather or Apocalypse Now. Its just a matter of taste. R those people most likely mentally challenged, well certainly they are. Here's the main thing, how r any of u taking ratings of GnR at this point seriously? The game just came out.

To him, yes. He doesn't come across to me as someone who is trolling so I'll accept his opinion as being honest.

Well said! I'll add that I appreciate an honest opinion, even if it's different than mine.

Watching some of Buffalo stream getting Multiballs all the time not counting the song modes just all the sudden we’re in another MB.

I like a few MB in my game as a break from single ball play. Never had one with constant non stop MB action. Probably ok for one pin in a large collection. I’ll probably like it as a change of pace.

I hope you do indeed get your game that quickly. I just called them today and they did not say anything about going and picking up games and then shipping. They also said they have no clue when they are getting and and just pick your dealer and pay the $1000 deposit and then you have to just wait it out. Said JJP has not issued any sort of shipping schedule to them yet and everyone is in the same "wait and see" situation.

Different is good in a larger collection. I can't help comparing each new release to the games I already have. What is it about the new release that makes it special and worth buying? If it's a theme I love, it still needs to be implemented well. If it's a typical layout, are there cool toys or unique rules that make it extra special? If it's a unique layout, does it shoot well?

I can see that the light show and theme integration (playfield and software) on GNR makes it special. I like a few GNR songs but it's not a theme I connect with, though not a show-stopper either. As such, the gameplaying experience is going to have to be special enough to overcome the theme for me to buy versus just playing at friends or on location.

Anybody else dislike the selfie picture feature? Not a deal breaker of course and I assume it can be turned off in the settings.
Does it interrupt game play?

It's a high score award after game over, assuming it works like the photo feature on other JJP games.

I think the biggest concern of the Multiball heaviness, should be based on the not being able to trap up and use more skill during multi balls. I understand the need for the rule, to prevent timing out, but I wish somehow it could be done to where more skilled play can be accomplished, rather then flipping away.

The 4 modes outside of songs would be fantastic if they were single ball modes, like in Jurassic Park with control room and T-rex modes. Then you can explore how well the game can flow...ramp/loop combos, keep left diverter closed.

Game looks great and look forward to playing it.

Yes i have been invited to play it but this lockdown is making it difficult

I love this rule. It encourages keeping all the balls going during multiball vs trapping most of the balls on one flipper then using the other flipper to play one ball at a time. More fun to watch and play with others. Imagine how long the multiballs would last otherwise when playing with people who are good at that technique.

It's not like no-hold flippers, you can still trap, hold and shoot but you have to be aware of your boo meter. People will get more skilled at shooting on the fly.

Gotcha lol

I paid for the LE today. I’m 100% excited!

Re: multiballs
I intend to change the settings to make the game harder in this regard (nerf the 4 booster multiballs, reduce the add a balls in the song multiballs, set a max on ball saver time). If this makes the game too hard to progress through, I can always make the game set up easier (lower the posts on the outlanes) or make song modes easier to reach, kind of like how some people set up Metallica to make crank it up easier to qualify.

I’m sure a lot of people will be posting their preferred game settings over the next several weeks.

Why overthink what you are seeing?

There will never be a holy grail pinball machine that will please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

I guarantee you I don’t need to see anything more to know that “the total experience” with respect to GNR is gonna be phenomenal.

I’m as excited about the arrival of this pin as any in a long time. And I do get excited!!!

Some won’t like it for whatever reason, theme, MBs, shots etc but they will be in the extreme minority and that’s their right/loss. Different strokes.

What's your feeling about the upper PF/locks do you think the SE will feel like it's missing too much??