It really looks that way - Wonka was like placeholder art. And this is just.....unusual.

I’ve read every book on Guns N’ Roses that I’ve been able to get my hands on, I know all the stories. I’ve been a huge fan for decades.

Obviously I am in the minority, but I prefer the se & ce cabinet

Lol hard same. Really my biggest worry on SE is how the white light rails play compared to the LE. If the light show is roughly the same someow I can see snagging an SE (although that Gibson head is sweet).

I’m sure the SE will be a blast to play. The bones are there for sure. Most of the awesome atmosphere and light show remains. I bet the SE is realllllly fast.

What rubber do they use in these games? My first order of business will be changing the red flipper rubbers to transparent Titan ones to match the rest of the transparent rubbers in this

Congrats!... Probably I’ll be crucified here, but I must say that I do like the Art of the SE(my personal opinion), that’s an amazing game for a good price. You will have soon the privilege of owning one beautiful GN’R at home.

Cheers Bearcat!

Your not....SE looks pretty good...and the CE is by far the best overall package

The SE is the most interesting one to me and the one that I would consider. It’s borderline criminal that they gimped the light bars to not be RGB. Like seriously? Removing an upper playfield and a 6 ball guitar lock wasn’t enough?

This all day and I kinda hope it's a software thing that can be upgraded as opposed to separate white bulbs...

I'd assume they're white bulbs versus color.

Waiting for post-honeymoon to get fair reviews.

Ok game looks amazing. No need to own it to conclude to this obviousness
Now how it plays is the most important question for me.

so am I seeing this correctly? The SE has a stage of figurines, essentially a mini PF with zero interactivity with the ball? Is it also empty underneath? I'm confused...

I think the outer loop continues. Same as the LE and CE. But yeah, quite a bit of neutering going on. Both guitar and Bass removed, and upper playfield, with VUK, and Bass ramp.

What is the superlock?
(Last setting)

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Band on the run is my all time favorite album.

Are you for real? Maiden sure, great game... Aside from potentially code which aint going to happen tell me 1 thing that ACDC or MET (no not the theme) would have over GNR?

Opps. sorry didnt realize this post was before the release... but yeah feel free to compare

flow ?

Flow doesnt make a game better, and dont make it worse either

A better rulesheet

lol wtf.. better ruleset on ACDC and MET? Maiden is great sure, but there aint no way that GNR will have worse rules and the formers. You wont have the boring lets shoot the bash toy over and over to start MB. GNR was given the effort that players deserve..... If only GAZ gave a shit

Incorrect.

TAF, LOTR, JJPPOTC, TSPP, CFTBL are crap games are they?

TAF is a bad game. The others are fine. I wouldn’t say that Any of them have terrible flow but would creature be better with an orbit? Yes. Flow makes games better. Period. I’m not saying everything has to be lightning fast but a lot of stop and go gets old fast.

lol TAF is arguably the best game ever made. Absolute MIN top 5. I guess you must think SS games are rubbish too then... Vast majority dont have flow.. Centaur, Fathom, Medusa, EBD... etc etc

If Someone gave me a TAF for free I would sell it immediately. Most overrated game in pinball. I’ve liked all the Solid States I’ve owned though.

Lyman

Pinside has TAF ranked #15 so I guess the community also disagrees with you.

TAF sold 20000+ units, guess that disagrees with Pinside

I dislike TAF also. So what?

I think I prefer the white side rail lights on the SE versus the color changing lights. I’ve never been a fan of colorbombed GI, so not digging the strobing RGB rails.

Glad to see the SE models on the line and maybe one is streamed by late next week?

The concert stage in the left corner replacing the upper playfield doesn’t look bad. Plenty of space for creative modders to do their thing.

For my taste (we all have different tastes) every model is lacking a cool pinball mech. Lots of garnish put on the games, but I can’t find the steak under it all.

Too bad the SE didn't gain a real ball plunge versus that weak plunge. I don't have fun trying to soft plunge because sometimes it'll take a few attempts to get the ball outta the shooter lane. That isn't fun. What's fun is the OPTION to short plunge. SWEP1; Maverick (and many DE's with the 3 holes for skills shots; Aerosmith with the hidden skill shot; but they all have the option to pull the plunger back and let it rip.

The ball traveling underneath the Upper PF.

It’s not empty as in unused space it’s a full lower PF just with a roof over that corner.

I don’t actually mind the SE too much now except for the cabinet art which I hate but I can put it in the middle of line instead of end.

Although I’m leaning LE because of the sweet artwork.

Lyman is great, I agree. Song jackpot was innovative, he killed TWD and crank it up is great too... but song and crank are only a select feature of the games.

I’ve viewed every minute of every stream.

My issues:
Scoop location
Non-stop multiball. NON. STOP.
Nothing to bash/hit/knock down etc at all
Slash spinner is pointless except to annoy?
It might be the worst skill shot in pinball

I still want an LE.

So far for me:

Short ramps
Jets that dont fire as good as Sterns
Crapping low scoring...something I just can never like

I don't like the low scoring either.

Here's the "most advanced pinball machine on them market" and it scores like Amigo.

yeah I feel like after pounding a JJP and getting 4-6 mill.. what have I done? I prefer scoring where 100 mill is a great game and 1 bill is exceptional. Not crazy like AFM, and not low like JY. JJP tho.... just too low imo

Agree thats why I'm buying one!

That's good to hear . Having an outer orbit is a must-have for me .
Nothing like hitting a clean shot and seeing the ball fly around the edge of the whole playfield , especially on a wide body like the Hobbit .

I'm very "meh" on the rails and this seemingly new race to have the most leds.

Watched the BP stream. My thought is "It looks like Guitar Hero The Pinball and you're stuck as GNR the whole time."

Wait until you try complete song mode where you can’t die.

Endless Multiball was bad let’s talk about endless ball save. Uff

This game is catering to non pinheads.

This is what I am wondering about as well. I am not a fan of upper playfields, but I do love the glowing pulsing RGB rails on the LE. Anxious to see the effects with the all white rails.

Anyone know if the difference in RGB count from LE to SE is all in the rails?

No there’s a crap load of lights on missing the upper PF as well.

Great reviews so far from those who have played it. Can’t wait to try it out.

Oh yeah, forgot about all those and I guess the two moving stage lights count as well.

I guess what I was wondering is if the main playfield lighting and light show is the same from the LE to the SE other than the rails?

+: Without a doubt the best lights/light show of any pinball ever made
+: Left ramp into the guitar head is great
+: innovations - cymbols, guitar head, drum sticks, spinner, LCD in playfield shoing info that backbox lcd cant cos band is playing
+: Slash in playing card when putting initials in
+: Mystery animation
+: Bass ramp

-: At this point I feel that maiden is a better playfield in terms of shots. GNR2 is clearly better in terms of innovation tho and the saucer dont go STDM!!
-: Feed from the jets is a little ACDCish ... bit anxious of STDM
-: WWE skill shot
-: Weakish flippers...

The way they used the rails differs completely depending on what song you are in and what is happening. The attention to detail is off the charts on how the light show is coded.

Flipper strength is adjustable.

My GnR conclusion.

Game looks great for theme integration. Maybe the best ever?

Game looks like it is not fun to shoot. Two short ramps. Upper playfield doesn't look fun. Upper playfield drop leads directly to the right out lane.

I am interested to see if the SE model resolves some of these issues.