I remember it differently. As I recall, Jack was a long time distributor for Stern and he wasn't happy as more and more features were being stripped from the games.
He believed people were willing to pay a premium price for a premium product, and started JJP with that model in mind. I think the introductory $6500 pre-order price for WOZ was about $2k higher than Stern at that time (Iron Man Pro).

thanks

....knocking on heavens door

how many threads are there on this game?

See what happens when JJP finally announce a title aimed at grown men.

I didn't understand why JJP would make another GNR pin with all the other possibilities. After seeing the reveal it makes more sense. What a difference having Slash super passionate about the project and the entire band involved. Looking forward to seeing more gameplay.

Wow...it looks incredible. Great integration of the theme. I can’t wait to play it.

Full song list with which ones are only available in adult mode (and 1 more that is locked that must be earned):

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-jjp-game-announcement-coming-soon/page/65#post-5888757

do you know how it work? you can select a song, or a song is refered to a mode...thanks

https://www.thisweekinpinball.com/guns-n-roses-pinball-deep-dive-in-depth-overview-of-the-machine-features-rules-and-more/

1 for every LE.

My guess is Coma is the locked song.

Edit just saw it’s already there

let me guess Slash you’re in for a CE?

In case you haven’t watched this.....

The more i see of this game the more I like.

This is the benchmark Rock pin. Regardless of whether you’re a huge GNR fan or not, this is how you make a Rock and Roll pin. If you don’t like this game, you don’t like Rock music or you don’t like pinball.

Honestly, every music themed game from now on is going to be a letdown. This is the full stop in music pins.

I think JJP still has some learning to do with their pro/standard models. Sterns are getting better but this one is missing way too much. Put a simple ramp leading to the bass with nothing but the head and the strings and I think they sell two to three times as many.

And the topper. Recommend you download the GnR_Flyers_AllGames.pdf file that compares all the features. RGB individually controlled RGB LED count is personally misleading to me. 350+ on LE, and 600 on CE. When you consider the led light strips on the the cabinet and backbox, that would explain the difference. Once my LE arrive, will install poor man's light strips and have over 1000 leds.

Right now, I do not see any major difference with the LED count on the LE/CE playfield.

The ce playfield has a stunning, really nice glitter/sparkle print on the playfield which is the best playfield art concept I have seen so far. Same for the radcals with the mirror finish. Only these two things would make the ce worth it!

Regards,
Mirco

During that same time i bought my first pin. A LOTRLE on closeout from Automated for $5,200 to hold me over during the Woz wait.

JJP started the pre paid deposit model. $6500 was considered ferrari pricing back then

Hard to believe where pinball has come in the last decade. Whatever the outcome, JJP is responsible for "innovation" with Woz and pushing Stern into a much better place today from a viability, advancement with the LCD and competitive standpoint.

I love radcals so much. Can't wait to see them mirrored!

If we buy LE, I assume we can still order JJP topper?

FCK!
I was not in on this game at all, saw the video reveal and said ... eh...
Now I just emailed a distributor about a CE

Not a huge GNR fan... but I do love music pins .. theme integration is awesome

I know if will be a fun pin, don't really need to see gameplay
Still worried about PF and game quality though

Anyone know if we can get radcals on the LE?

No topper is exclusive. Not sure if jjp will sell another GnR topper like the LE topper for Wonka.

I personally think the topper is redundant when the same logo. I like the flames though.

I have been looking forward to this pin being announced for quite some time and will admit that I'm not impressed...especially with the standard model. I'm not willing to pay $9500 (plus shipping?) for an LE and the standard looks significantly stripped compared to other models. I'll definitely reserve full judgment until tomorrow's buffalo stream, but I was really hoping for some innovative mechs like on pirates. I mean the standard doesn't even have a physical ball lock? I appreciate JJP trying to compete with Stern and others on pure price, but I feel like they should have focused more time on playfield toys and less on the number and style of lights. I really want to love this pin, but even the ramps are kinda boring from a ball path perspective...especially the standard.

Most folks on this thread that are praising the game aren't referencing the standard model and I just didn't expect this much to be stripped from it based on previous games they've made.

The CE comes with the option of paying an extra $1000 to have Jack and Slash fly out to your house and help you unbox, level and play-test your new game.

That particular option would probably be over $20k.

Well.... could it have anything to do with the fact that it is 3000 and 6000 dollars cheaper, maybe?

The standard is pretty much location only at this point. I'd say if you plan to get this for your home it is le or bust.

Not at all surprised there is a 12.5k CE. What is pissing people off it to get the whole complete game you have to buy the 12.5k CE. Really lame IMO and I will be voting with my wallet.

You don't need to pay $12,500 for a "complete" game.

So you're in on CE, awesome! Me too!

Yeah better a cheapass full game then an uncomplete game!

So, how's that Astro Shooter?

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Pretty weird choice of words for them to use on the rule sheet then. It’s not like GnR is widely
known for that cover.

You never know about the standard edition, it could be great and it’s an attractive price.

I think a lot of folks here are big time into the super upper levels but a lot of time I find almost as much enjoyment on the pros.

I could get a GnR standard plus a SW pro comic edition for the price of a GNR CE. That’s a good value. Just depends on if it plays ok.

Why is it so lame? It's not like they waited months after release then surprised existing owners with the knowledge. It's one physical ball lock, and the LE has the same mode as the CE. Yes, the CE is a very expensive toy. Vote with your wallet and go away if you don't like it. Posting about it over and over again is pointless.

Quick change it to ‘knocking on heavens door.’ For the love of god.

$20,000 Down payment for a total of just $100,000 probably

I have a stern army pinsider pm my inbox telling me JJP has same playfield issues as Stern still. Honest question did Wonka have any playfield issues?

They did initially, and then they were corrected (at least that is the way I understand it).

First-run Wonka did, Wonka CEs did not. It was fixed somewhere in the October 2019 timeframe AFAIK.

Thanks sir

I´m a bit confused aren´t you the guy who the moment it was realised, bought a bitch uggly topper for 600dollars, that had a mode that made the game say baaaaaah?

I agree with this sentiment. I still want to love this pin, but I feel like it's missing an interactive toy or mech of some kind, even a simple bash toy.

I mean, I'd literally have taken just about anything over the spinning record 'toy.' It's a recycled mech which I've never loved in a game. It's tolerable, but just not what I was hoping for in terms on THE most interactive toy in the game. Everyone is going to be hitting that scoop and that spinning record over and over, and it just doesn't appear to be a kinetically pleasing game at first glance. We may all change our tune (hehe) when we start shooting it, but for now it's an easy pass for me, especially with 5000 LE's being made.

Wow! the Standard is bare and looking sad in comparison to the Limited edition.Maybe they should have called the standard the Roadies and Fans edition.And the Limited the Bands edition.

Looks awesome, but I would've preferred if they'd gone for AFD/UYI era GN'R. I get more of a GN'R vibe from the old DE version, although I'm sure it can't hold a candle to this one from a quality perspective. Regardless of the amount of assets and the involvement of the band, this feels more like a generic Guitar Hero pin. Well, you can't have everything. Looking forward to the gameplay stream to make up my mind.

yep - any one that bought that Jurassic Park topper doesn't deserve to speak, well period but for this purpose - the ability to put down JJP b/c they don't have a ball lock in the LE.

It just ads choreography per Keith.

Wow! This Grateful Dead pin looks bad-ass!

Game looks neat, but I hope they tone down the seizure-ness of the light shows a little. The one white flashing one is... intense....

Just so happens I got that topper for free

Lol, people and their motives are so transparent. Continually saying you need $12.5k to “play the full game” is ridiculously stupid

The CE and LE should be the exact same game play. The fact that you have to buy the CE to get the whole game is quite LAME