Quoted from TheLaw:

Yes the one with almost no JP content...other than Nedry. Didn't really bother me personally.
I was talking aboot licensed content, and you seem to be talking about playfield item/ mechs etc

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I never said I didn't like the game. I just dislike the band. I'm asking a pinsider why he/she/they think it is the greatest machine of all time. That's a big claim. I couldn't care less if you or anyone else likes the game. In fact, I'd rather all of you buy one so they keep making great games. I've purchased a NIB JJP machine and will likely purchase more.

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

have not played RM nor understand to mass appeal but no game made so far by Spooky is close to $12k

Quoted from riggy469:

So, the rumor was 22 songs in the game. The list that’s posted by JJP has 21 listed.
However, I just noticed this at the bottom of the rules when I zoomed in:
Any takers that the cover of Sympathy For The Devil is the big wizard mode song??? That would be amazing.
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Quoted from sunnRAT:

Ok but first I'm playin' that Diamond Lady.

Quoted from Coindork:

I have one if you would like to come play it and find out in person.
Mines fully loaded with butter cabinet and did not cost anywhere near 12k.
Think it was under 9k actually ($8800 if I remember correctly).
I think it’s a fabulous game.

Quoted from shacklersrevenge:

Sympathy for the devil? Extremely unlikely. That cover is widely known as the “if you want to hear a band breaking up, listen to that song” Song.

Quoted from Dashmonster:

The COMA lock is more than just a ball lock. It appears to be a WOZ SOTR type mini game with a unique Multiball mode at the end. Radcals, later etched side rails, kick ass skull and rose shooter rod, glitter in the paint. 12,500 is a lot of money for a game. But this game seems special...Then throw in the bands signatures and a descent topper? I will buy a CE and it will make my RR WOZ collect dust. I’m hoping there is a audio output jack of some sort because I am picturing two stage monitors on either side of this game tilted inward toward my head. Fantastic job JJP team on the reveal too the SDTM video is awesome I watched the first part 5 times already. Take my money now

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

Cool thanks very much, I know I will enjoy one or your many games over RM but never enjoyed a spooky game from game play so far out of all the ones made

Quoted from gecko157:

... the SE? Or am I mistaken?

Quoted from delt31:

To clarify the fake news on the COMA lock.....it is no more than a physical lock. LE gets the same rules and gameplay out of it, just no physical lock on the apron.

Quoted from Medisinyl:

I'm in on an LE, but no immediate plans to mod it--looking pretty solid from the factory, and unless something can be tastefully added and look factory without blocking anything important, I won't bother.
I could see mirror blades looking good on the LE with the killer lightshow.

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

have not played RM nor understand to mass appeal but no game made so far by Spooky is close to $12k

Quoted from TheLaw:

Yes I believe this is the first time they've done Stern tiers.
But the standard price dropped

Quoted from Blackjacker:

This. Black mirror blades might be in order, and I'll be replacing the red legs/armor for black, but no dolls or Hallmark ornaments required.

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

So is there more toys or speciality items in new GNR then Maiden Stern or is it all just shots, or does Metallica have more toys still for a music pin, just curious.

Quoted from stuckey_t:

This looks a lot like Wonka to me with gameplay based on shots, flow, and ramps. No bash toy as far as I can see but I’m sure the code absolutely integrates code and modes up the wazoo! Very interested to see how much the spinning record thing plays a part in the game as that is a main center shot

Quoted from TheLaw:

Does the spinning turntable not count as a bash toy?

Quoted from Vino:

Believe so.
I also think spinning turntables must be a new requirement in all machines starting 2020.

Quoted from Vino:

Believe so.
I also think spinning turntables must be required in all machines starting 2020.

Quoted from Tsskinne:

I said I wanted the SE to a distributor today for my location. Excited to finally have a JJP game at a price point I’m comfortable with that seemed to still feature most things based on JJPs description on their website stating it had the upper playfield and 6-ball lock. It was also in email from distributor that it was included. Now looking at everything it seems like that it sure as hell doesn’t yet it remains on the JJP website. Well fuck. What to do now....
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Quoted from Tsskinne:

I said I wanted the SE to a distributor today for my location. Excited to finally have a JJP game at a price point I’m comfortable with that seemed to still feature most things based on JJPs description on their website stating it had the upper playfield and 6-ball lock. It was also in email from distributor that it was included. Now looking at everything it seems like that it sure as hell doesn’t yet it remains on the JJP website. Well fuck. What to do now....
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Quoted from Tsskinne:

I said I wanted the SE to a distributor today for my location. Excited to finally have a JJP game at a price point I’m comfortable with that seemed to still feature most things based on JJPs description on their website stating it had the upper playfield and 6-ball lock. It was also in email from distributor that it was included. Now looking at everything it seems like that it sure as hell doesn’t yet it remains on the JJP website. Well fuck. What to do now....
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Quoted from Tsskinne:

I said I wanted the SE to a distributor today for my location. Excited to finally have a JJP game at a price point I’m comfortable with that seemed to still feature most things based on JJPs description on their website stating it had the upper playfield and 6-ball lock. It was also in email from distributor that it was included. Now looking at everything it seems like that it sure as hell doesn’t yet it remains on the JJP website. Well fuck. What to do now....
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Quoted from mtp78:

Be great if they added a subwoofer hook up, I lean towards the Ce for the addtional sound quality.But I am sure the L.e with a remote sub would kick ass.

Quoted from delt31:

Exactly what I'm doing - mirror blades ALL day on this one. PF art is already crazy enough - side art would be overkill. Mirrors is just going to accent that killer light show.

Quoted from gecko157:

I wasn’t expecting them to pull this much out of the SE. That’s usually a stern move...

Quoted from koops:

My guess was that the feedback for the wonka se was "better price .. but still priced too high."
The market has shown that it is perfectly ok with cut down features on the playfield in exchange for a cheaper priced machine.

Quoted from adol75:

Speaking of the light show, there are around 400 leds more on the CE than on the SE, since I assume they didn't drill 400 more holes in the playfield, where do all these lights go ?
Also the COMA outlane ball save is listed only on the CE on JJP website, but some distributors have it in the feature list of both LE and CE. It's confusing

Quoted from adol75:

Also the COMA outlane ball save is listed only on the CE on JJP website, but some distributors have it in the feature list of both LE and CE. It's confusing

Quoted from rvdv:

Can someone explain the special individual light
Effect on the inserts of the CE compared to Le game ?

Quoted from pascal-pinball:

I think the only light difference between LE and CE are the lights under the cabinet and behind the backbox.

Quoted from Cobray:

Not trying to bash, just observations.
GNR approached JJP about making the machine, and I would assume this would mean the license would be cheaper since JJP was, in a sense, commissioned to make the pin. I don't see any of these savings passed on, or at least it does not appear they have.
Also, I remember when JJP wanted to start making pinball machines- for the good of the hobby! To make the best, fully optioned games with lots of toys and creativity/innovation! All at a reasonable price to the end consumer!
What we are getting now? Wonka and now GNR have zero "innovation" (unique mechanical toys or something new/advanced to the hobby) all while pricing themselves like they do if the machines had what JJP initially promised. If this title was loaded out with cool toys that blew our mind, I would say many more of us would be willing to shell out the $9500. I don't consider cool art and theme integration as anything more than what SHOULD be normal in our hobby right now. I won't get into code, that's a whole different thing for a different topic.
Now do I want a GNR LE? Hell yeah. But man that $9500 plus shipping (and possibly tax) is a huge kick in the gut. While I've bought many pinballs over the years, I am not an LE or exotic pinball guy because I have a tight budget (but lucky enough to be able to buy Pro and sometimes Premium Sterns ($7300-ish), for example.
So like many, I'm waiting this one out.
And I'm not being sarcastic when I say "good job JJP" on this pin! I just think the pricing could have been better.

Quoted from pascal-pinball:

I think the only light difference between LE and CE are the lights under the cabinet and behind the backbox.

Quoted from Lounge:

CE has an apron ball lock

Quoted from cooked71:

I thought the ce had exclusive city lights under the pf, or is that for all models?

Quoted from colonel_caverne:

sorry, must have been already said but which songs are in the game? thanks