Quoted from Chicoman:

It's eye candy to the max for sure! Waiting to see how it plays. I can tell you right now I don't like that Left Ramp....looks like the same shit angle as the right ramp on Wonka and if you don't make it up.....SDTM it goes! Adding all the lights to this game tells me they are using flash to cover up the short comings of the game in the hopes that people overlook it because of the light show.

Quoted from davijc02:

Man the look of this pin is killer! Also awesome that JJP received the amount of assets. I was more excited for Toy Story but no way Disney will let JJP have as many assets without charging tons of money.

Quoted from Jecco74:

I went through a distributor and put $1000 down. Not sure about JJP

Quoted from LTG:

Party at Dave's house on Wednesday !
LTG : )

Quoted from Goronic:

Except the crack is cheap

Quoted from rai:

Disney let Stern use all three of the original SW movies (350 film clips for SW)?
Just because JJP didn't get the assets for PotC doesn't mean you can't get them from Disney.

Quoted from Rockytop:

My .02 so far:
9 ball paths on the main playfield. Layout doesn't blow me away, but it looks fun. Basically just about everything else seems off the charts.
1: Shot under the upper flipper
2. Right orbit
3. Right ramp
4. Extra ball shot through the pops
5. Scoop
6. Middle spinner/loop to pops
7. Ramp or inner orbit (not sure what it does) shot from upper flipper
8. Left ramp
9. Left orbit
- light show should be the best of all time
- love the moving spotlights
- happy the band did callouts
- thrilled with theme integration in general and the assets they have
- art looks great
- 21 songs is awesome
- I like what I'm hearing about song jackpot risk/reward
- all the non mechanical "toys" are cool... the guitar pick spinners, drum sticks, tophat, axl on top of the skulls, amps, hi hat, cymbals
- the light rails looks awesome
I'm not sure how fun the upper playfield stuff will be, but it looks cool and is great theme integration.

Quoted from rai:

Disney let Stern use all three of the original SW movies (350 film clips for SW)?
Just because JJP didn't get the assets for PotC doesn't mean you can't get them from Disney.

Quoted from bigd1979:

There is a jump ramp so maybe that's one the shots from upper flipper

Quoted from riggy469:

So, the rumor was 22 songs in the game. The list that’s posted by JJP has 21 listed.
However, I just noticed this at the bottom of the rules when I zoomed in:
Any takers that the cover of Sympathy For The Devil is the big wizard mode song??? That would be amazing.
[quoted image]

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I shouldn't, but I'll bite on your logic challenge. To you, it appears to be "the greatest game ever made." The examples you used to support this claim (see your post for the original order and styling) were "incredible use of engineering and technology."
Hell, here it is to save you some trouble:
"Looks like the greatest game ever made, just incredible use of engineering and technology. A new highpoint for pinball on every level."
You're telling me that this game is the best game in pinball history, but your supporting examples are somehow not the best, even with grammatical fragment attached with a comma? "Greatest game ever made, just incredible use of..." ???
Well-defended, my friend... Well defended.
ANYWHO... I'm still waiting... And I'll even rephrase it to make it easier for you: I'm seriously curious, why do you see this as the greatest game above every single machine produced in the history of pinball? And if you'd be so kind, could you also explain how the engineering and technology is "a new high point"? You used "on every level," so this one will be tough to evade...

Quoted from Rockytop:

I don't want to get into a DLC debate about whether or not it should happen...I just think it will.

Quoted from Rockytop:

Anyone else think there will be more songs released at some point for this pin? (like Metallica had)
I don't want to get into a DLC debate about whether or not it should happen...I just think it will. There is a new song Guns has called "Hardschool", that Guns N Roses nerds (like me) know about. It's a bootleg and it's awesome. I would love for that to make it on the game at some point.
Here are the songs I wish the game had:
- Don't Damn Me
- Get in the Ring
- 14 years
- Back off Bitch
- The Breakdown
- Locomotive
- There was a Time
- IRS

Quoted from Rockytop:

Anyone else think there will be more songs released at some point for this pin? (like Metallica had)
I don't want to get into a DLC debate about whether or not it should happen...I just think it will. There is a new song Guns has called "Hardschool", that Guns N Roses nerds (like me) know about. It's a bootleg and it's awesome. I would love for that to make it on the game at some point.
Here are the songs I wish the game had:
- Don't Damn Me
- Get in the Ring
- 14 years
- Back off Bitch
- The Breakdown
- Locomotive
- There was a Time
- IRS

Quoted from koops:

If its not an official song that the band approves of and wants out (like a bootleg) why would they ever include it in the future?
Imagine this, they've already said officially no to the song. Slashes game autoupdates, he plays and finds it on there. "wtf guys?"
However as a game play element it might be cool to integrate into a hidden hard to get to backstage mode. "Get backstage, steal the demo cd's" sort of thing. Songs that you get from it are random/unlisted.

Quoted from TheLaw:

It wouldn't cause a stink with a game like this, because you're getting so much up ffront. If you get a machine with a lot less songs, and missing some big ones is what you need to look out for

Quoted from fooflighter:

I think it's more than just a song too. The SDTM vid mentions that each song has it's own rules. So what that means is a guess. Different shots, different LCD scoring, synced lightshow...could be done, would be great to see it implemented

Quoted from TreyBo69:

There's a ton of content in Jurassic Park....

Quoted from TheLaw:

That is not really the way anyone has described JP2...in fact it's kind of the opposite.

Quoted from Cobray:

Not trying to bash, just observations.
GNR approached JJP about making the machine, and I would assume this would mean the license would be cheaper since JJP was, in a sense, commissioned to make the pin. I don't see any of these savings passed on, or at least it does not appear they have.
Also, I remember when JJP wanted to start making pinball machines- for the good of the hobby! To make the best, fully optioned games with lots of toys and creativity/innovation! All at a reasonable price to the end consumer!
What we are getting now? Wonka and now GNR have zero "innovation" (unique mechanical toys or something new/advanced to the hobby) all while pricing themselves like they do if the machines had what JJP initially promised. If this title was loaded out with cool toys that blew our mind, I would say many more of us would be willing to shell out the $9500. I don't consider cool art and theme integration as anything more than what SHOULD be normal in our hobby right now. I won't get into code, that's a whole different thing for a different topic.
Now do I want a GNR LE? Hell yeah. But man that $9500 plus shipping (and possibly tax) is a huge kick in the gut. While I've bought many pinballs over the years, I am not an LE or exotic pinball guy because I have a tight budget (but lucky enough to be able to buy Pro and sometimes Premium Sterns ($7300-ish), for example.
So like many, I'm waiting this one out.
And I'm not being sarcastic when I say "good job JJP" on this pin! I just think the pricing could have been better.

Quoted from BallPin:

Is there even any room on the playfield for mods? Seems packed.
Thinking apron button mod for LEs would be a good start. Rose for plunger on LE would work. side blade art. But don't see any room on the playfield to add a mod. Interesting to see what will come out.

Quoted from TheLaw:

That is not really the way anyone has described JP2...in fact it's kind of the opposite.

Quoted from Honch:

I think we get it, you don't like GnR and you're not impressed. If I were you, I'd probably give up on trying to convince people that something that is purely subjective could be wrong.

Quoted from delt31:

He said they use masters so studio versions not rerecorded.

Quoted from sunnRAT:

A factory loaded pinball machine and no need to buy mods. Thanks alot JJP.

Quoted from Cobray:

Not trying to bash, just observations.
GNR approached JJP about making the machine, and I would assume this would mean the license would be cheaper since JJP was, in a sense, commissioned to make the pin. I don't see any of these savings passed on, or at least it does not appear they have.
Also, I remember when JJP wanted to start making pinball machines- for the good of the hobby! To make the best, fully optioned games with lots of toys and creativity/innovation! All at a reasonable price to the end consumer!
What we are getting now? Wonka and now GNR have zero "innovation" (unique mechanical toys or something new/advanced to the hobby) all while pricing themselves like they do if the machines had what JJP initially promised. If this title was loaded out with cool toys that blew our mind, I would say many more of us would be willing to shell out the $9500. I don't consider cool art and theme integration as anything more than what SHOULD be normal in our hobby right now. I won't get into code, that's a whole different thing for a different topic.
Now do I want a GNR LE? Hell yeah. But man that $9500 plus shipping (and possibly tax) is a huge kick in the gut. While I've bought many pinballs over the years, I am not an LE or exotic pinball guy because I have a tight budget (but lucky enough to be able to buy Pro and sometimes Premium Sterns ($7300-ish), for example.
So like many, I'm waiting this one out.
And I'm not being sarcastic when I say "good job JJP" on this pin! I just think the pricing could have been better.

Quoted from kvan99:

I agree with you, prices are too damn high, but JJP is not the only manufacturer to charge this kind of money. Stern LE's are 9K or so....RM Bloodsucker edition was around 12k. they're pretty bare compared to this game. Innovation doesn't have to be reinventing pinball, there are some cool things in the game, the concert lights, the full RGB lighting, the armor, the soundbar, upper pf, guitar neck ball lock, loads of songs and other assets. It's not cheap but it's not stripped down either. Let's just hope it's shoots like it looks.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

I never said I didn't like the game. I just dislike the band. I'm asking a pinsider why he/she/they think it is the greatest machine of all time. That's a big claim. I couldn't care less if you or anyone else likes the game. In fact, I'd rather all of you buy one so they keep making great games. I've purchased a NIB JJP machine and will likely purchase more.

Quoted from BallPin:

Is there even any room on the playfield for mods? Seems packed.
Thinking apron button mod for LEs would be a good start. Rose for plunger on LE would work. side blade art. But don't see any room on the playfield to add a mod. Interesting to see what will come out.
Just looked at the playfield again. Small Marshall Amp on top of the backstage plexi box by the bumpers needs to be made. It would look so sweet there, but small enough to not obstruct view of LCD screen behind it.

Quoted from allsportdvd:

The JJP Promo ad actually says "Studio Masters"

Quoted from sunnRAT:

Because with every reveal there is someone who always says that. It will happen again in the next reveal. Nothing new. I cant blame people for being excited though. Really looks like a true rock theme pinball. Cant wait to play it.

Quoted from Medisinyl:

I'm in on an LE, but no immediate plans to mod it--looking pretty solid from the factory, and unless something can be tastefully added and look factory without blocking anything important, I won't bother.
I could see mirror blades looking good on the LE with the killer lightshow.

Quoted from TreyBo69:

We are talking about Elwin's JP right? Which is JP3

Quoted from TheLaw:

That is not really the way anyone has described JP2...in fact it's kind of the opposite.

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

RM blood sucker fools for buying any game buy Spooky no where close or worth that price for what’s in their games.

Quoted from Coindork:

I’ll call you when it arrives.
You can help me set it up.

Quoted from Jackontherocks:

RM blood sucker fools for buying any game buy Spooky no where close or worth that price for what’s in their games.

Quoted from Medisinyl:

I'm in on an LE, but no immediate plans to mod it--looking pretty solid from the factory, and unless something can be tastefully added and look factory without blocking anything important, I won't bother.
I could see mirror blades looking good on the LE with the killer lightshow.

Quoted from sunnRAT:

Killer layout, high replay value with endless content from the show and all around awesome theme integration are what make that pin great. Just because its not a toy overload, doesnt mean its not a good pinball machine.

Quoted from TheLaw:

That is not really the way anyone has described JP2...in fact it's kind of the opposite.

Quoted from Freakyguy666:

Unless you get the unofficial update!

Quoted from delt31:

Exactly what I'm doing - mirror blades ALL day on this one. PF art is already crazy enough - side art would be overkill. Mirrors is just going to accent that killer light show.